you have been standing on your head a while already

It's that people know there is NO ADVANCING from it.

I mean you can

I've worked a few jobs and never seen anyone promoted.

Than leave

You just gotta try hard or find the right place

i had roommates when out of college. rented a room in a house. bedroom was about all the private room i had, everything else shared. with 2 other people.

Yeah that's exactly what people like grant always say.

"Just leave"

Okay.

It was hard to get THAT job already.

And you're telling them to just leave.

Throw the dice somewhere else.

Okay.

I mean, I worked a gig that paid 18 an hour and left cause they were treating me bad

shit was tough, had to skip some meals for a while, although mostly because my gf was working in exchange for free grad school

Didn't pan out at the new job either. It's like.. EVERYWHERE is the exact same problem.

Or just that job.

Then got a better job without an education of any kind

Okay can you even see why I'm frustrated with you?

This happens every time.

so i had to pay for 2 people

"Just leave."

What if you do, and the situation remains the same, every single time.

Where do you live that only job is mcdonald or walmart?

It's so easy for every company to be as bad as each other.

Somewhere that those are the only jobs.

"So just move" Right?

You were gonna say that next, right? Well think it through.

Is that where you work?

if everyone in that area works at those jobs, who are the customers?

I mean, homeless guys and ex cons can get middle management in my town.....so yeah

I'm really upset with you but I'm trying to remain polite.

Try to understand what I'm saying please.

You could learn a trade. Those tend to be needed everywhere.

True dat

You could learn a trade if you could pay for tuition.

That requires disposable income, which you will not have if you're on food stamps.

Suppose the person you're talking to has made it a goal to NEVER BE IN DEBT FOR ANY REASON and they will not budge even if that means death.

more like if you can find an apprenticeship

learning a trade requires tuition, huh?

Yes.

nah, you do shit work for shit pay

we need to bring back apprenticeship

Proof that you learned a trade requires tuition.

until you stop being shit at the job, then you move up a bit

Grenade is correct. We need to bring back apprenticeship.

At some point you have to be responsible for yourself. If all you do is focus on why you can't, you won't see real opportunity that might be in front of you.

Apprenticeships are good or even just teaching yourself stuff online or from reading if you can’t afford internet.

Russian please scroll up to the beginning of the conversation. I don't think you've appraised what we're talking about.

You can teach yourself online, but who would believe you've learned it?

demonstration

Where?

Or lie.

Let's not joke right now.

you can learn coding, although its not everyone's cup of tea. And its pretty easy to test if people actually learned it

I’m not joking.

anywhere there is a person, and not a bureacracy.

how do you demonstrate you can draw?

I know a guy who makes a living doing disturbing mspaint art.

I have a coder friend, and he says it's very very difficult to find work.

Itis way artsy folks have portfolios, e.g models, artists, programmers

It's such an oversaturated field.

I feel like your not being honest about this place you are describing. Or it is really horrible and you should just leave hitchhiking if you have to.

what coding does he do?

Grant.

I'm really annoyed with you.

Don't say that to me when I'm being genuine.

I mean, Grant is right though

I am being honest.

@Scribblehatch you're in a frame of mind right now that others in this room aren't necessarily sharing. Sure you can be frustrated about it but I'd just ignore responses that aren't addressing you on the same level.

Him being right means I'm lying.

Which I'm not.

Hitchhiking does sound like a better option if this town is so bad

So he's wrong.

You live in place with only walmart and mcdonalds.

that's because programming was sent to india like 10 years ago

web based? yes. good luck with that. c++? got a good shot of finding work. some of the older languages? you will be snatched up in a heartbeat

Well I won't be hitchhiking, even if faced with death. So that's out.

you gotta specialize in something and be good at something else, in IT.

Why not?

Now that we know that's out of the conversation, let's continue the conversation.

Oh I won't supply a reason I won't hitchhike.

Just know that death will come first.

tell him to learn COBOL. those dudes are making bank right now

Is that conviction enough? Death?

If it isn't, I don't know what to tell you.

COBOL is in need

Not really

because like no one knows it anymore

Death isn't enough conviction. Interesting.

I won't go into debt, and I won't hitchhike. Starting from there, let's troubleshoot the problem.

If you can't start from there, we're not speaking.

I mean, it's more of a non sequitur then a reason really

I will block you if you continue to try to speak to me about debt or hitchhiking.

I'm not trying to be dick, I'm trying to steer the conversation forward.

death is easy

You live in a town where the only businesses are a McDonalds and a Walmart. and there is no way to leave the town.

Comedy is hard

Grant.

getting off your ass and walking business to business and selling yourself...well...that's hard.

Oh fuck you grant, you post blocked my joke

You don't walk business to business. Try doing that.

Try walking through the door with a firm handshake and eye contact.

I'll tell you what happens

"Uh... Applications are online."

@Scribblehatch I think you might be a little naive. Tell me what happens when you ask a troll to stop trolling you?

ya, then u r going to franchises, with bureaucracies.

When I block them, they can't do anything to me anymore.

Trolls are only unstoppable on 4chan.

XD but everyone else sees

not that anyone really cares lol

Anyway. ```You don't walk business to business. Try doing that.
Try walking through the door with a firm handshake and eye contact.
I'll tell you what happens
"Uh... Applications are online."```

This is a pretty big loss for society.

You cannot just sell yourself.

I wish you could. It was never a thing during my working lifetime.

lol dat feel when a place teels u in person to hadn in ur CV online

then online it says they only take CVs in person

I mean, you can sell yourself, you just gotta be in a place with no uuman rights laws

I'm not interested in joking right now.

"I'm not joking" Seriously we can be funny later.

"I'm serious" We can be funny later.

I have a friend who was looking for a job so he went business to business giving out his phone number and eventually got hired. Took a few hours.

and yet, you live in an area where there are only two businesses, mcdonalds and walmart, yet somehow those 2 businesses manage to turn a profit with nothing but their own employees shopping there.

@CreativeRealms
I have absolutely no details about that story you just told me.

Applications go online becuase of bullshit pushed by marxists and feminists that spout off about bias and all that other crap.

I wish I could do that. I'm doing online training instead to fly planes

Can't see someone's skin color because then you'd be racist against them.

I doubt that.

I'd attribute it more to boomers wanting everything to be comfortable and impersonal

Hey, that's what you could do Scribble. Buy Micro soft flight sim and learn to fly planes. It's cheap but easy to prove if you learned your stuff or not

"I want to just cherrypick."

"I don't want to see anyone's disappointed face."

"Can't everything just go well for me, the person who had a much better time looking for employment when I was their age?"

flight simulator is the tits

I'm learning helis

Saying "Just leave" is advice for the boomers.

They *could* do that when they were young.

my dad used to be a pilot

Quit job. Walk across the street. Get another.

a heli pilot specifically

That does not exist.

That's gonzo.

in teh 80's XD

Guys

I'mma be a helicopter pilot and go do search and rescue stuff

I notice grant and the rest have really hushed up. That's a shame. :/

Remember back when the political parties basically switched platforms?

theres a larger variety of jobs you can do with helicopters

I feel like they are doing it again

just in general

Every time I have this conversation, I look forward to maybe learning something I may have missed.

But it always just stops really abruptly after I establish the context for why Element A directly clashes with Element B.

See Scribble, just learn to pilot helicopter stuff and you'll be good in no time

I'm not interested in being funny right now.

We can be funny later.

scrib its cuz nobody sees u

lol

I'm being serious

We can be funny later.

I follow Bill Burr

I know how difficult it is to become a helicopter pilot.

It's not something you can choose to go into flippantly.

XD yeet yeet good ole bill hes a boss

You will sink a lot of time and money. Money that I don't have.

sinm if u suck

I will not go into debt. That's one of my stipulations.

which u are implying you will

*sink

No debt ever. This does not budge. Nothing can cause it to budge.

"You'll die" Hope not. Maybe. Could happen.

I'm boycotting a system that actively makes america worse

Can I at least get a brief applause.

loan sharks ftw

ahh i see

ofcourse

this all makes sense now

Well, I'm gonna go be one. Maybe do the coast guard thing

you just want a wide applause for holding your most virtuous, most intelligent opinions

I got an idea what you can do with that helicopter....

you ever tried a headhunting/.recruiting agency scrib?

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Hey, that's what you should do. Join the military scrib

I dunno what that is.

alas idk why this has to be repeated online

but nodoy really cares that much usually

Anyone who has ever taken ritalin is permanently ineligible for military service.

This is where people call me a liar

a company who gets paid by another company to find and fill positions for them

"So lie" Some might say.

"Fuck you" I'd say back.

"Wouldn't work anyway" I'd add.

@Scribblehatch what is your age?

Doesn't matter.

so 16-26

I took Ritalin and was in the military.

obviousley XD

Okay you apparently never told them.

I didn’t.

And they never checked your medical records?

Or it was never recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr8

I assume they must have.

Well apparently they didn't.

It was recorded.

Because that should've barred you permanently.

Like asthma.

maaatt daaaaamon

XD yeah as much as i hate this virtue signaly kind of shit

that skit is funny lol

you can't blame the military for having standards imo

I don't.

I wasn’t taking it while in the military though. Do they also bar you if you used to?

I'm explaining why the military is not an option for me and I'm not making up excuses.

XD yeah i have asthma and even tho my symptoms are pretty much nonesistant outside of my dog n cat allergies

am barred yeet

Because this is where the conversation inevitably goes

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i wonder

"Ahh you got excuses for everything" Yeah it's a pretty bad situation that affects me. I'm looking for a way out and it's seeming kinda hopeless. I'm actually shaken how bad it is.

I did three years but now I have diabetes so I can’t get called up for reserves.

welllllllllllllllll

I don't enjoy complaining.

I want a way out.

blocking everyone that wants to critically approach ur situation

Every solution offered has this brick wall in it.

is a good way of staying stuck

I don't have anyone blocked right now.

I merely warned them not to tell me to go into debt.

lol

SNL started to become pretty unwatchable for me. Every now and then they do something funny. More misses than hits for me now though.

okok yeah i feel ya with the debt thing though hahah i stay away from that with a 12 foot pole

on another 12 foot pole

SNL has been unwatchable for years and years.

Don't know how it survives.

idk i found it was always hit or miss

But now SNL is more interesting.

A lot more misses now for me

Okay discord fuck you

Send all messages for fuck sake.

XD yeah stupid disc servers are iffy

How laggy can text possibly be

@Scribblehatch I humbly recommend going into debt. Debt is good for the soul.

No.

I want to pay my own way through every little thing.

oic.. well ok then

Help me help america not become a dystopia.