yeah

but even if it wasn't

I actually have no clue which event he is reffering to

what has Trump done that is a crime?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dduk2FwU8AIO4Lz.jpg

I think it might be the manafort case

Well lets asume that cohen can back up his claims

I remember when the first Russian collusion thing was "exposed" only for it to be a reporting error.

Wait, an error how?

If what the lawyer says is true then trump ordered him to break law

That would be a problem

break what law? he paid them off before announcing he ran for president

Thats what the lawyer says

Even then, what would be the punishment for that?

Assuming its true.

@GingaBomber when they said Trumps team got the WikiLeaks memo before it was on WikiLeaks.

Remember that?

Does that mean Trump didnt win fair?

The Clinton thing

I dont know thats why a asked you lot

Is it enough to deligitimize his win?

Not really

Fair, I saw somewhere on T_D that Obama's team was supposedly guilty of the same crime.

It's pretty standard, and Obama was fined for it.

And all they got was a fine

I have no doubt trump is corrupt and sooner or later they will get him on something

I dont believe the russia gate tho

I mean, everyone is in politics.

Obama was fined for accepting foreign bribes

Ironically I think he is slightly less corrupt than most of Washington

Its not whether or not you are guilty.

correct

But to what degree of corrupt you are.

everyone is guilty of something

Well theres two things.

Assuming trump is as corrupt as the media likes to say

its why you dont talk to the police

they can always get you on something

Hes either very very good at hiding it.

Or its not bad enough.

at what point though, is enough is enough, and we should move on for the betterment of the country

And seeing that the worst they got on him was his tax returns, or an offhand comment he made a decade ago

kind of like how Clinton + lewinsky went too far

I believe trump believes what he is saying. That's more than I can say for any other person in Washington.

Or a theoretical smut tape

Now, him being right, different question.

To be honest, Id rather not claim to know him

Enough

To know what goes on under that toupee of his

He is Trump. He doesn't seem any different now than before

nothing sticks

because people already assume the worst of him

and the people that support him dont care much about his character from that perspective, but what he's able to acheive

I mean thats where most of the division lies

exactly

Basically side We dont like trump and side We dont care

Well, and one side mostly knows politicians are corrupt and liars. But you couldn't tell where the lies begand and the truths started. With trump it's pretty easy for the most part to tell when he is talking out his ass or when he really believes the shit he is saying.

Problem is

do we tho Grenade? 😛 do we know when he's talking shit

Some people think he talks out of his ass 24/7

Its very hard to tell

More than most politicians

But I dont think we can say for sure that we know he lies all the time

I don't see impeachment

Or if he even lies in the first place. Like he sounds like someone whos just really sure of himself

Confidence

beign successful even if its brought up

Thats the word

Is a falsehood someone really believes is true, is that really a lie?

Or are they just wrong

Its the difference between Truth and Fact grenade

Truth is the way you see it,

Fact is the way everyone sees it

Drumpf 45 is totally done for this time

Still its not fun eitherway

and by everyone i mean, undisputable if you're an honest person

what if you don’t believe in objective reality

Still.

Dosent look like impeachment then?

then you're not truthful about facts 😛

Even then

Republicans who vote for impeachment are guaranteed not to be voted for but some might not care.

I think alot of people wont take it sitting down

trumps approval is very high

They might impeach him by 2020

All the Dems would vote impeachment.

Impeach what?

His lawyer paid those people off before Trump announced his presidency

You can't file a federal case for someone being a jerk (yet) he broke no laws

correct

YOu are assuming dems care about fact

trying to tie this into a crime

even if it is one

will be tough

to prove intent

They will twist it into one anyway

and that will only embolden his base

yes like the russia narrative

"another witchhunt"

They don't care about logic. If they can get an impeachment vote going they'd try to do it even if he did nothing.

Impeachment is all but impossible

I highly doubt reps will wanna impeach the guy who essentially won them America

some will