He fancies himself a nobleman.

And that's far right as well

Like that bald hyper capitalist monarchist polish dude

With a bowtie

I don't think the left right divide is entirely useless, its just that america has a different version,

What utility does it have that specific ideological labels don't have and execute better?

Personally, I see it as -
Communism/Marxism far left.
Monarchism/Theocracy far right

That's a false dichotomy though

And that's the thing, either you're sandwiching multiple often conflicting and contradictory ideas into one "side"

Or you're creating a false dichotomy

And you're allowing nutjobs to adopt generic labels instead of having them say what they really think

It helps in categorizing people. Especially in a two party state

Europ isn't that way

See: leftism descending into commie fuckery

But

Larger countries like India or America are

But neither system is based around two ideologies is the thing

Left/right isn't an ideology.

It's a label for ideological positions

An umbrella term if you will

Real Gamers know this

But it doesn't work

It's a system of values compiled through a spectrum

Right but nobody can name a consistent set of values

Oof has worked its way into my daily vocabulary.

Or plot ideologies consistently as per those sets

It's embarassing, in a way.

So a right wing party is pro traditionalism, constitutionalism, etc

A left wing party would be pro secularism, social programs, etc

Those are non exclusionary

You can be secular, support the constitution, support social programs and value tradition

You can adopt a wide variety of ideologies under one banner without being cornered

And then, the people in the party can say "I'm a constitutionalist", or " I'm a socialist"

Further, what was no child left behind, as poor a plam as it was? And alt right memestate enthusiasts will often advocate a heavy welfare state

That's the thing. The lines are unclear

Aren't alt right people national socialists?

Not all, but altleast the ethnostatists

Some of them might be yes, and a heavy social welfare state is lefty

technocratic monarchy is the best, prove me wrong

So what's the righty aspect?

The alt right isn't a good example here

Even ethnonationalists aren't necessarily natsocs.

It's a perfect example

Because where do they go?

Vernacular recommendation: we need words more relative to the Overton window, and not the political compass.

They didn't start off this way. A bunch of nazis took over the actual alt right.

Okay, but where do you put Nazis?

The Alt-Right was Poland

Radical centrists

The Nazis annexed it

The nazis are radical centrists.

And the media basically said 'sure, they can have THAT title...'

What right wing positions do they have?

Monarchy

Closed borders

I'm not buying Monarchy as 'right'

Monarchy is an authoritarian branch.

Monarchy is more traditional.

The iron curtain was built by righties?

A hierarchical system based on tradition is definitely right.

By etymological standards it's the same as a dictator.

'Rule by one'

Not really

It's family rule

by etymological standards.

Mon- means one.

And north Korea is a republic

Do ethnostatists seek to seize the means of production?

Nazis most certainly do.

And give it to the state?

Then that's their far left views

So, they adopt the extreme views of both wings

Radical

Centrists

Was the goal ever to make Hitler's kid the dictator in Hitler's death?

Or extreme authoritarian centrists

Sorry but I fail to see how they're right wing still

It's not hereditary rule

That's not what radical centrist means at all.

And Anarcho Primitivism is left is it not?

So is traditionalism just a matter of era?

@Schedrevka "Extreme authoritarian centrists"?

Not only that but being pro US constitution is at odds with pro monarchy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_centrism
Radical centrism is an actual ideology. You don't get to just choose what you want it to mean.

Oh jeeze, that has a definition?

shit.

I'm going to have to read that. and also stop calling myself a 'militant radical centrist' as a joke.

@Schedrevka Thanks, I never knew

neat

So, uh... I don't consider the Libertarian Party very right wing. Is that just me...?

I see them as more right than left.

Between centrist and conservative.

Like, I don't identify with them on most things.

It also seems extremely incohesive and cultish

at the same time...

I'm a libertarian conservative.

I get this sense that, only considering platform, it would be a lot easier to get the Republican Party to the libertarian stances it needs than it would be to get the Libertarian party to not be cultish.

When you consider that the Republican Party also gets the votes, the Libertarian party seems pointless.

Pointless at best, and Gary Johnson was actually fucking Open Borders at worst.