Message from @Abel

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2018-09-13 00:54:21 UTC  

With a king?

2018-09-13 00:54:28 UTC  

He talks and dresses like a damned aristocrat.

2018-09-13 00:54:32 UTC  

He fancies himself a nobleman.

2018-09-13 00:54:35 UTC  

And that's far right as well

2018-09-13 00:55:02 UTC  

Like that bald hyper capitalist monarchist polish dude

2018-09-13 00:55:12 UTC  

With a bowtie

2018-09-13 00:56:29 UTC  

I don't think the left right divide is entirely useless, its just that america has a different version,

2018-09-13 00:57:04 UTC  

What utility does it have that specific ideological labels don't have and execute better?

2018-09-13 00:57:42 UTC  

Personally, I see it as -
Communism/Marxism far left.
Monarchism/Theocracy far right

2018-09-13 00:57:55 UTC  

That's a false dichotomy though

2018-09-13 00:58:17 UTC  

And that's the thing, either you're sandwiching multiple often conflicting and contradictory ideas into one "side"

2018-09-13 00:58:24 UTC  

Or you're creating a false dichotomy

2018-09-13 00:58:54 UTC  

And you're allowing nutjobs to adopt generic labels instead of having them say what they really think

2018-09-13 00:59:02 UTC  

It helps in categorizing people. Especially in a two party state

2018-09-13 00:59:14 UTC  

Europ isn't that way

2018-09-13 00:59:16 UTC  

See: leftism descending into commie fuckery

2018-09-13 00:59:23 UTC  

But

2018-09-13 00:59:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/489601018263371787/image0.jpg

2018-09-13 00:59:41 UTC  

Larger countries like India or America are

2018-09-13 00:59:41 UTC  

But neither system is based around two ideologies is the thing

2018-09-13 01:00:03 UTC  

Left/right isn't an ideology.

2018-09-13 01:00:13 UTC  

It's a label for ideological positions

2018-09-13 01:00:20 UTC  

An umbrella term if you will

2018-09-13 01:00:21 UTC  

Real Gamers know this

2018-09-13 01:00:23 UTC  

But it doesn't work

2018-09-13 01:00:28 UTC  

It's a system of values compiled through a spectrum

2018-09-13 01:00:40 UTC  

Right but nobody can name a consistent set of values

2018-09-13 01:00:51 UTC  

Oof has worked its way into my daily vocabulary.

2018-09-13 01:00:54 UTC  

Or plot ideologies consistently as per those sets

2018-09-13 01:00:59 UTC  

It's embarassing, in a way.

2018-09-13 01:01:02 UTC  

So a right wing party is pro traditionalism, constitutionalism, etc

2018-09-13 01:01:42 UTC  

A left wing party would be pro secularism, social programs, etc

2018-09-13 01:02:01 UTC  

Those are non exclusionary

2018-09-13 01:02:20 UTC  

You can be secular, support the constitution, support social programs and value tradition

2018-09-13 01:02:25 UTC  

You can adopt a wide variety of ideologies under one banner without being cornered

2018-09-13 01:03:18 UTC  

And then, the people in the party can say "I'm a constitutionalist", or " I'm a socialist"

2018-09-13 01:03:34 UTC  

Further, what was no child left behind, as poor a plam as it was? And alt right memestate enthusiasts will often advocate a heavy welfare state

2018-09-13 01:03:53 UTC  

That's the thing. The lines are unclear

2018-09-13 01:04:09 UTC  

Aren't alt right people national socialists?

2018-09-13 01:04:29 UTC  

Not all, but altleast the ethnostatists

2018-09-13 01:04:37 UTC  

Some of them might be yes, and a heavy social welfare state is lefty