That’s hot

Saline. Salt water.

I want pizza

Lol ok. Just thinking about pizza gives me high blood pressure. That sweet sweet testosterone

I need more testosterone

Can’t have mine!

>.>

That's not the point. People are individuals, just because other people have more accidents doesn't mean one sex should have to pay more than the other. In what other area is this ok? Women use medical services more than men, does this mean that they should be charged more for insurance or taxed more for national healthcare? They clearly aren't, so why is a man forced to pay for others when it comes to car insurance?

Oops, there were more messages I didn't read. Still, what I said is valid

That’s what I’m sayin’

Yeah, it's me and Jango that's written to

'cause we were defending the insurance practice

I would assume it’s because men tend to be more extreme in their use of resources. Women use medical services where they aren’t always necessary, meaning it could be treated at home. Men tend to go to the hospital when there’s rebar through their chest.

Y’know, because mean are taught to “man up” when they get hurt

They won’t seek help unless it’s very necessary.

I think you can no longer discriminate on the UK for car insurance but I might be wrong. @SilasPsy

It may have just been a thing about a company called Sheila's Wheels that tried to give out cheap insurance to only women.

They may have just got in trouble over the latter

Men still pay more for car insurance
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/insurance/car/men-still-paying-women-car-insurance-five-years-eu-ruling/

Righto

Ooo I see. But considering men drive more and rates are calculated off of that as well it may just be that

Doesn't matter if men drive more. Doesn't say anything about how often a particular person drives. Some women drive more, why shouldn't those particular women be charged more?

They are probably

It's an average remember

No, they aren't

It's fair to charge all people as an average, it isn't to charge one sex more

Indeed

But just because you remove sex from the equation didn't mean that on average men still won't pay more due to other factors like "commuting" which bumps it up and "miles driven"

It's just the wage gap thing again

In the USA is different

I've not looked at the actual calculation used so if I'm wrong I'm happy to be

On average men will pay more sure, but average miles are not the problem and not anything anyone is arguing about. Simply changed the sex on your insurance application from female to male will result in thousands increase

Really? I pay like £300 including breakdown coverage. For the year

I may be exaggerating the cost then, obviously depends what car you have and such (the more it's worth the more the increase will be etc)

The rest stands

Reading the article

""For motor insurance, factors such as the type of car, number of miles driven, driving record and claims experience will all impact on the cost of cover," he explained. "Men and women are likely to drive different types of vehicle, do different mileage, and these variations, not gender pricing, will reflect in premiums."

Like I said it looks like a wage gap comparison. Men just drive more under more risky conditions

Reading into it, yes, companies are complying with the rules yet have basically circumvented them to even increase the cost difference.

https://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/car-insurance-eu-law-men-women-charge-different-comparethemarket-gender-directive-a7969816.html

They've simply taken things such as the type of jobs that require vehicles which more men work inand shifted the extra cost there, as well as the types of cars men tend to buy.

This is still gender discrimination, it's just in a more roundabout way.

Well that's just the argument feminists use to claim a wage gap.

"Women are expected to stay at home"

Men choose to work those jobs and men choose to drive fast cars. I pay 300 because I drive a small car and work a low risk job with minimal commute.

If we're ok with one we should be ok with the other.

Any way I need to get back to fact checking people at work haha.

How can you say men have chosen a particular job when it comes after the fact? You want them to just give up their job and livelihood when insurers have unreasonably changed the rules on them?

It's not the same argument because the 'wage gap' is gone into knowingly by women who choose those professions, the men who have chosen their professions just suddenly had those costs added onto them *in a real effort by insurance companies to keep the costs on men*

If you go into a driving profession insurance is part of those costs. Anybody with any sense would factor those costs in. It's part of the reason men earn more.

They increased those costs, on the professions men are in, to offset not being able to directly charge men more. You can't factor in such a cost increase.

The way that it was done discriminates against men

We can restart this later but I have a bunch of stuff to check at work. I respectfully disagree though.

That much for saline? If you guys lived in Europe that would be considered attempted blackmail.

@InsaneCaterpilla ever see the old 'Sheila's wheels' adverts? If you talked down to women like they do, you'd be lynched.

hi

@Men Are Human sold insurance apparently tough

Still sexist, really.

Haha I'm not saying it wasn't

No worries. I wasn't accusing you

By the way, I hope you have all seen this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/a20zv8/mgm_is_illegal_the_pay_gap_is_a_sham_fantastic/

The International Men's Day speech in the UK Parliament!

@Men Are Human I remember those ads, they pissed me off back then too. Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen it

@InsaneCaterpilla Pissed me off more! XD

I doubt it, the music and singing were just as grating as the sexist message

@InsaneCaterpilla I was just joking about. XD

I know mate.

It's good to see those issues being discussed in parliament, and its also hard not to be angry toward that woman for laughing at what he was saying. At the same time she's practically proving the contempt men are held in

Yep. Laughing at men for bringing up men's problems in Parliament is a bit of a tradition.

"Can we just talk about men being abused for a second?"

*Hysterical disbelieving laughter*

Hey, why don't we find out who she is and write her polite letters of disgust?

I wouldn't be polite

We could complain about her: https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-interests/pcfs/publications/inquiries/complaints-process/

It wouldn't be considered misconduct would it? She didn't break the rules

Hmmm.

Maybe not actual misconduct.

Unless they consider gender-based discrimination?

I think it would likely be a hard sell to consider what she did that, sadly. It's deplorable, but it doesn't break any rules.

Yeah, I am kinda seeing that.

i think most people should know about this https://www.change.org/p/save-6-year-old-james-from-chemical-castration

https://www.rt.com/usa/445172-transgender-child-mom-court/

http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/26/mom-dresses-six-year-old-son-girl-threatens-dad-losing-son-disagreeing/

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/november/father-refuses-to-allow-6-year-old-son-to-dress-like-a-girl-ndash-now-hes-been-charged-with-child-abuse
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-boy-forced-to-live-as-a-girl-while-mom-threatens-dad-for-not-goi

sorry for flooding links

http://savejames.com/

I really feel for the guy. He has clearly stated he doesn't want to do this.

James has a twin brother who is allowed to be a boy but James is forced to wear a dress and be called "Luna"

this is just fucking sick man

I know. This isn't what the trans community wants.

It's fordable. But the castration part is likely misleading - it may mean puberty blockers, which are undoable. Having said that, boys need testosterone to grow their brains.

Yeah, I was thinking of just that

even if thats the case its still really fucked up

It is

Puberty blocking *could* cause infertilty and many other complications though.

Including hampered brain developement

I feel like any body modifications should not be allowed until you are legally considered an adult, that doesn’t mean if a child is suffering from gender dysphoria that you can’t support them, if a boy wants to wear a skirt and play with barbie or a girl wants to wear skate shorts and play with actionman, I don’t see the problem, but like with Tattoos, piercings and circumcision, these are things that should be options when the child is an adult and can make their own choices on how they want to permanently change things about themselves that cannot be reversed

Also on another note, I made a post on r/askfeminists, will be interesting to see how that goes xD

You’re tempting the gods

I agree but like with piercings? Pretty sure I see a lot of young girls getting piercings with parental consent when they are as young as primary school

I think piercings are fine because they can heal up if they’re left alone.

Unless it’s a cartilage thing

When I was about 13 a girl in my class got a belly button ring... Is that a cartilage thing?

I don’t think so. Cartilage would be like your nose and the top of your ear, not the ear lobe

And cartilage wouldnt heal back the same way... I get ya. My ex had a nose piercing that healed over when she had to take it out for work, though, she had to have it redone

Well cartilage can’t heal, but the skin can

I got a reply already! It was better then I could have expected! xD oh god, I feel like I am being a master-baiter... lol

Lol

Don’t know where to post this lol but I just got banned from r/feminism for pointing out they post mostly bias articles with no form of discussion (sent in a pm to a mod). They literally pick the most clickbait article to upvote just to push an agenda. Lol I never posted or commented there.