Yes.

Unless a miscarriage

But that’s a different discussion

What's even the point of saying this? I am arguing that on its own the fetus is as good as dead before a heartbeat

No it's not

Without the mother. Without chemo, many people are good as dead. Should we just kill ‘em now, because they rely on something else to live?

Once the zygote has implanted itself on the uterine wall it is a separate living being

Right. Has an individual genetic code.

There is a difference b/w helped stay alive and becoming alive

By which definition?

It has become alive at fertilization

Then after wards relies on the mother

By science

Its chromosomes have been formed

From there it grows into a separate human with its own individual characteristics

Not really, with your logic. It’s alive at the moment of fertilization, as @Creampie said.

Lol
Scientists haven't come to a conclusion yet

Sure they have

Yeah they have.

It's nothing to find out it's a known fact

It's already been determined

See point is, before a heartbeat, the fetus is a collection of cells. And you can argue that it has the potential to grow, but that potential can't be achieved without the mother. Put the fetus out of the womb it's dead

This is my logic

They have not

It is a collection of separate living cells

That's not how you define alive

Okay. Like I’ve said, should people who rely on machinery for life be considered dead, because without it they won’t survive?

Yes the mother is needed but that's because that's how reproduction works

How do you define alive?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713799/%23:~:text%3DAccording%2520to%2520them%252C%2520the%2520fetus,or%2520more%2520as%2520human%2520being.&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjABegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw1xGrGHBTr__jznZe8OJ0fn

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wired.com/2015/10/science-cant-say-babys-life-begins/amp&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAJegQIFxAB&usg=AOvVaw2RRXedPrgvNFOeJwwDcfhq&ampcf=1

Yes. It is. Plants are alive. But once again, no potential to become human.

And, the sentence would be “That’s not how *I* define alive”

Well the point of, people on machineries after birth ARE alive. Their brain functions, they respond to stimuli and stuff like that. A fetus before a heartbeat dosent

This is how I define it.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

People who are in commas don’t, either.

I am trying to read them stop messaging me

You can't argue that a person before going into a coma didn't show these qualities

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

And if someone has a heart attack, their heart isn’t beating.. but there is still an effort to keep them alive. Or bring them back.

Well yes. It's called a vegetative state. But we know for sure that they were alive BEFORE the attack

Yeah, and biology shows that an infant is alive before a heartbeat

Where is one of your roles pro life @justkaus ?

Bruh..I sent 4 links

Read them

I did

Wdym where?

Like if you pull up your profile

It says pro life and pro abortion

Yeah

?

That's how this whole convo began

Dude you couldn't even scroll up *sigh*

Ok so I will say it again

That's a but much lol

I think abortion is ok till the fetus isint alive, which imo, is the point till which it gets a heart beat

Which is 18 weeks right?

No

Near 10

On avg

10 weeks?

What about the rest of it, is the heart beat the only thing that matters ?

It’s actually 6-8

Ig

Not “ig”. I’ve done research.. It’s on average 6-8.

Well by definition. I think that makes it clearly alive. I would prefer something like brain activity, but that's very hard to judge

That's sad

I don't care

That's the point at which

It has a right to life

But it has a right to life once it is fertilized

Last time I checked, right to life is for alive people

IT IS ALIVE

The whole argument I gave is that, it isint

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Every cell in your body is alive, it might not have a heart beat but it's alive

It functions

Exactly

It achieves things

That's not how you define it....

Then how do you define it?

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

What else do you need

You like running around in circles?

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

Correction: that *is* how she defines it. It isn’t how *you* define it.

Yeah

True

Everything is subjective to one's own opinion

You realize that even if you may not consider it alive, it’s human.

@Creampie your opinions will never achieve peace b/w liberals and conservatives.
Legalising to till the heartbeat would reduce abortions by a lot, give leeway in case if rapes, and is morally and technically strong enough to have its merit. Your choice. This same meaningless debate till the end of time while children keep getting killed. Or something practical which is going to help your cause a lot.

And a 8 week abortion is nowhere as brutal as the 22 week one

And I am not saying this because I have formed that opinion out of desperation, I truly believe in it

However these are it's secondary benifits

Anyways gtg

No an 8 week abortion is not near as brutal but its still abortion it doesn't change that

Well thank you for defending your views

I only care about right to life

Have a wonderful day

Me too

Tq

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