It's dead

Just like a dead man

Is this another abortion debate?

No shit. But essentially, it won’t get outside of the womb on its own.

Yes.

Unless a miscarriage

But that’s a different discussion

What's even the point of saying this? I am arguing that on its own the fetus is as good as dead before a heartbeat

No it's not

Without the mother. Without chemo, many people are good as dead. Should we just kill ‘em now, because they rely on something else to live?

Once the zygote has implanted itself on the uterine wall it is a separate living being

Right. Has an individual genetic code.

There is a difference b/w helped stay alive and becoming alive

By which definition?

It has become alive at fertilization

Then after wards relies on the mother

By science

Its chromosomes have been formed

From there it grows into a separate human with its own individual characteristics

Not really, with your logic. It’s alive at the moment of fertilization, as @Creampie said.

Lol
Scientists haven't come to a conclusion yet

Sure they have

Yeah they have.

It's nothing to find out it's a known fact

It's already been determined

See point is, before a heartbeat, the fetus is a collection of cells. And you can argue that it has the potential to grow, but that potential can't be achieved without the mother. Put the fetus out of the womb it's dead

This is my logic

They have not

It is a collection of separate living cells

That's not how you define alive

Okay. Like I’ve said, should people who rely on machinery for life be considered dead, because without it they won’t survive?

Yes the mother is needed but that's because that's how reproduction works

How do you define alive?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713799/%23:~:text%3DAccording%2520to%2520them%252C%2520the%2520fetus,or%2520more%2520as%2520human%2520being.&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjABegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw1xGrGHBTr__jznZe8OJ0fn

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wired.com/2015/10/science-cant-say-babys-life-begins/amp&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAJegQIFxAB&usg=AOvVaw2RRXedPrgvNFOeJwwDcfhq&ampcf=1

Yes. It is. Plants are alive. But once again, no potential to become human.

And, the sentence would be “That’s not how *I* define alive”

Well the point of, people on machineries after birth ARE alive. Their brain functions, they respond to stimuli and stuff like that. A fetus before a heartbeat dosent

This is how I define it.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

People who are in commas don’t, either.

I am trying to read them stop messaging me

You can't argue that a person before going into a coma didn't show these qualities

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life