Message from @Creampie
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Not really, with your logic. It’s alive at the moment of fertilization, as @Creampie said.
Lol
Scientists haven't come to a conclusion yet
Sure they have
Yeah they have.
It's nothing to find out it's a known fact
It's already been determined
See point is, before a heartbeat, the fetus is a collection of cells. And you can argue that it has the potential to grow, but that potential can't be achieved without the mother. Put the fetus out of the womb it's dead
This is my logic
They have not
It is a collection of separate living cells
That's not how you define alive
Okay. Like I’ve said, should people who rely on machinery for life be considered dead, because without it they won’t survive?
Yes the mother is needed but that's because that's how reproduction works
How do you define alive?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713799/%23:~:text%3DAccording%2520to%2520them%252C%2520the%2520fetus,or%2520more%2520as%2520human%2520being.&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjABegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw1xGrGHBTr__jznZe8OJ0fn
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wired.com/2015/10/science-cant-say-babys-life-begins/amp&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAJegQIFxAB&usg=AOvVaw2RRXedPrgvNFOeJwwDcfhq&cf=1
Yes. It is. Plants are alive. But once again, no potential to become human.
And, the sentence would be “That’s not how *I* define alive”
Well the point of, people on machineries after birth ARE alive. Their brain functions, they respond to stimuli and stuff like that. A fetus before a heartbeat dosent
This is how I define it.
People who are in commas don’t, either.
You can't argue that a person before going into a coma didn't show these qualities
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life
And if someone has a heart attack, their heart isn’t beating.. but there is still an effort to keep them alive. Or bring them back.
Well yes. It's called a vegetative state. But we know for sure that they were alive BEFORE the attack
Yeah, and biology shows that an infant is alive before a heartbeat
Bruh..I sent 4 links
Read them
I did
Wdym where?
Like if you pull up your profile
It says pro life and pro abortion
Yeah
?
That's how this whole convo began
Dude you couldn't even scroll up *sigh*
Ok so I will say it again
That's a but much lol
I think abortion is ok till the fetus isint alive, which imo, is the point till which it gets a heart beat
Which is 18 weeks right?
No