It's already been determined

See point is, before a heartbeat, the fetus is a collection of cells. And you can argue that it has the potential to grow, but that potential can't be achieved without the mother. Put the fetus out of the womb it's dead

This is my logic

They have not

It is a collection of separate living cells

That's not how you define alive

Okay. Like I’ve said, should people who rely on machinery for life be considered dead, because without it they won’t survive?

Yes the mother is needed but that's because that's how reproduction works

How do you define alive?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713799/%23:~:text%3DAccording%2520to%2520them%252C%2520the%2520fetus,or%2520more%2520as%2520human%2520being.&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjABegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw1xGrGHBTr__jznZe8OJ0fn

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bbc.com/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAIegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_4W-a1fQW4fFAFEILbEY7

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.wired.com/2015/10/science-cant-say-babys-life-begins/amp&ved=2ahUKEwjNlP7Nl8btAhUszTgGHbEqCmYQFjAJegQIFxAB&usg=AOvVaw2RRXedPrgvNFOeJwwDcfhq&ampcf=1

Yes. It is. Plants are alive. But once again, no potential to become human.

And, the sentence would be “That’s not how *I* define alive”

Well the point of, people on machineries after birth ARE alive. Their brain functions, they respond to stimuli and stuff like that. A fetus before a heartbeat dosent

This is how I define it.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

People who are in commas don’t, either.

I am trying to read them stop messaging me

You can't argue that a person before going into a coma didn't show these qualities

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/a/what-is-life

And if someone has a heart attack, their heart isn’t beating.. but there is still an effort to keep them alive. Or bring them back.

Well yes. It's called a vegetative state. But we know for sure that they were alive BEFORE the attack

Yeah, and biology shows that an infant is alive before a heartbeat

Where is one of your roles pro life @justkaus ?

Bruh..I sent 4 links

Read them

I did

Wdym where?

Like if you pull up your profile

It says pro life and pro abortion

Yeah

?

That's how this whole convo began

Dude you couldn't even scroll up *sigh*

Ok so I will say it again

That's a but much lol

I think abortion is ok till the fetus isint alive, which imo, is the point till which it gets a heart beat

Which is 18 weeks right?

No

Near 10

On avg

10 weeks?

What about the rest of it, is the heart beat the only thing that matters ?

It’s actually 6-8