Message from @Atkins

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2018-09-20 12:36:45 UTC  

So how would taking the protection away be helpful?

2018-09-20 12:36:47 UTC  

However, banning might still be protected, not sure exactly.

2018-09-20 12:36:48 UTC  

But what about moderating illegal content

2018-09-20 12:37:03 UTC  

And would users be able to block

2018-09-20 12:37:13 UTC  

That would be the governments job to have it taken down

2018-09-20 12:37:25 UTC  

Or they moderate, and are open to lawsuits

2018-09-20 12:38:57 UTC  

230 gives protection to unmoderated sites. Just coz Twitter and FB are playing both sides doesn't mean 230 is the problem. I can't see why repealing it help.

2018-09-20 12:42:23 UTC  

in stead of getting rid of it I think the answer is to enforce it. If twitter wants to curate their site then they are going to be liable for everything. If not, they are protact by section 230.
It seems we already have the laws in place to sort this mess out, they just need to be enforced.

2018-09-20 12:48:07 UTC  

230 does not give protection to unmoderated sites, those were already protected before 230.

2018-09-20 12:50:32 UTC  

There is another series of laws, original to protect like people selling newspapers for being responsible for what the newspapers say, but hold the newspaper publisher responsible for allowing it.

2018-09-20 12:52:47 UTC  
2018-09-20 12:52:57 UTC  

Best take on this

2018-09-20 12:53:10 UTC  

Even better then tims

2018-09-20 12:54:48 UTC  

I didn't know that @Grenade123 . It makes sense when you think about it. OK, thats fine, are you saying Twitter should be classed as a news paper vender?

2018-09-20 12:57:04 UTC  

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2018-09-20 13:18:50 UTC  

Who?

2018-09-20 13:23:37 UTC  

@Poppy Rider if they moderate, yes. If they want to stop moderating they can be classified as a platform (I believe that is the term used now to be equivalent to a library or somewhere hosting these works)

2018-09-20 13:24:01 UTC  

Publisher can get sued for the content in their publication, a platform cannot

2018-09-20 13:24:55 UTC  

At least that is my understanding of previous existing law before 230, where a website was sued for slander and it was argued that since they moderate "foul language" they should be a publisher.

2018-09-20 13:24:55 UTC  

Being prevented from moderating is going to have lots of unintended consequences.

2018-09-20 13:25:14 UTC  

Is spam protected by the first amendment?

2018-09-20 13:25:19 UTC  

What about dick pics?

2018-09-20 13:26:39 UTC  

If I crapflood a tweet with replies of meatspin.gif am I protected from intervention by Twitter?

2018-09-20 13:28:02 UTC  

Porn I think has a slightly different set of rules around it, so porn might still be able to be removed. And bans might still be allowed (it's like a library deciding not to have a book)

2018-09-20 13:28:33 UTC  

Wait now. Removing porn is moderating.

2018-09-20 13:28:35 UTC  

Spam would be be allowed, but it doesn't mean the user cannot have mute and block features

2018-09-20 13:29:11 UTC  

Except the president.

2018-09-20 13:29:32 UTC  

Removing illegal posts is not moderation by the platform, and it they don't claim the to be a porn site

2018-09-20 13:29:39 UTC  

What I'm trying to get at here is that there are lots and lots of ways that this can go wrong and we need to consider them.

2018-09-20 13:29:52 UTC  

Yes ^

2018-09-20 13:30:10 UTC  

If you want to see what 'no moderation except illegal stuff' looks like, go to /b/.

2018-09-20 13:30:17 UTC  

Right, and adding more laws won't be a problem

2018-09-20 13:30:19 UTC  

Would a site code of conduct be allowed?

2018-09-20 13:30:41 UTC  

Memba wen /b/ was good?

2018-09-20 13:30:55 UTC  

I don't think social media is helpful much at all.

2018-09-20 13:31:04 UTC  

So i don't really care if it dies.

2018-09-20 13:31:26 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/492326927365832719/image0.jpg

2018-09-20 13:31:49 UTC  

But i think removing laws is better before adding new ones.

2018-09-20 13:32:05 UTC  

Let's not advocate for our own article 13

2018-09-20 13:32:07 UTC  

90% this