I cannot opt out of hate speech laws.

But the solution can't be to just mimic what we see

We see them tribally defending one another without regard to truth...

I never said we should mimic it.

There was a fundamental distinction I made.

it's not the game of laws and state though

Politics is downstream from Culture.

If you're trying to win the game on politics, you're playing it wrong.

Marxists are very clearly *not* playing the game of laws and state

Then when are we going to start playing the culture game?

And if you're trying to build a culture to directly mirror the ridiculousness on the other side

they are playing "by any means necessary"

you're double-wrong.

one might even say double-plus-wrong, comrade

Or should we keep up our losing streak there, too, for refusal to do what is effective?

we actually win by playing the game of "American Values"

even for those of us who aren't American

American Values for the win

Yes.

Maybe we should rally around those values for a change.

so how do we then break that down?

Get more people to speak up by protecting them from the SJW mob.

I don't feel like we're straight up on a losing streak right now.

I think Peterson actually has the right trajectory- we focus on self stability and work outwards

Personal connections + a large amount of people simply talking and willing to still be cool despite disagreeing.

Maybe a few phyrric victories here and there

Their mobs are their strongest weapon - once that is no longer effective, they lost.

yeah I think Trump is offering you a nice safe span of time to get set up

Internet kills mobs because accountability and doxxing

You can rally around values without being collectivist.

Following the scientific method does not make chemists Marxist.

I would say, keep politically active, but worry less about the media blitz and more about keeping alternative channels open

I think that is a fundamental mischaracterization.

@Beemann Agreed

that distinction was already made, @Undead Mockingbird

but the one thing being stated is that by no means is the solution to fight back along the same lines

Employers need to sack up before we can progress.

"Oh noooo... You're being maligned. Get awayyyyy!! >A<"

Employers will "sack up" when there's social pressure for them to do so

"G-get away from meeeee!"

Then I don't understand why what I said earlier was interpreted to imply we should replace one form of collectivism with another, simply for showing some solidarity in public.