It needs to be less borglike and more like that old hands-in-a-circle meme

We do not have the same degree of solidarity and that is one of our weaknesses.

Why do we WANT that degree of solidarity?

Look around.

I brought up Keith Ellison in another subthread, and they discarded it as irrelevant to Kavanaugh's case.

I look around and I see tribes.

I do not want solidarity purely for the sake of solidarity.

We won't solve tribalism with more tribalism.

I want solidarity around principles and ideals.

That is what used to make us strong and righteous.

The problem with a social movement like Feminism or Black Lives Matter is that there is no end, there's no point where you say 'job done' and dissolve.

^^^

Yes, because it is not for the sake of an ideal.

It is for the sake of an identity.

right, so you win by not playing that game

^ ^ ^

(it's happening!)

Sorry, but you can't quit the game of laws and state.

If we could just walk away from that, there would be no issue. But we can't.

I can't just opt out from having to feed myself.

I cannot opt out of hate speech laws.

But the solution can't be to just mimic what we see

We see them tribally defending one another without regard to truth...

I never said we should mimic it.

There was a fundamental distinction I made.

it's not the game of laws and state though

Politics is downstream from Culture.

If you're trying to win the game on politics, you're playing it wrong.

Marxists are very clearly *not* playing the game of laws and state

Then when are we going to start playing the culture game?

And if you're trying to build a culture to directly mirror the ridiculousness on the other side

they are playing "by any means necessary"

you're double-wrong.

one might even say double-plus-wrong, comrade

Or should we keep up our losing streak there, too, for refusal to do what is effective?

we actually win by playing the game of "American Values"

even for those of us who aren't American

American Values for the win

Yes.

Maybe we should rally around those values for a change.