Look what's happening all over the place:

They have their mobs, they roll over one of us, as soon as they speak up.

And who stands up to defend them?

you form a group on the basis of individualist principles, you fight for those principles

How many of Petersons colleagues stood up?

you know, like the United States

I am telling you: we are too atomized.

If you believe in something, stand up for it.

Take note: The arguments that this guy was using against me were all regurgitated lines assumed to be true.

They will keep rolling over us until we had that lesson driven into us.

THAT is what collectivism does.

Beeman is right in his distinction.

Yes, and that is the saddest part:

They are regurgitated, but if they are regurgitated by enough people, without the same scale of pushback, they are unchallenged and often are assumed to be true.

It needs to be less borglike and more like that old hands-in-a-circle meme

We do not have the same degree of solidarity and that is one of our weaknesses.

Why do we WANT that degree of solidarity?

Look around.

I brought up Keith Ellison in another subthread, and they discarded it as irrelevant to Kavanaugh's case.

I look around and I see tribes.

I do not want solidarity purely for the sake of solidarity.

We won't solve tribalism with more tribalism.

I want solidarity around principles and ideals.

That is what used to make us strong and righteous.

The problem with a social movement like Feminism or Black Lives Matter is that there is no end, there's no point where you say 'job done' and dissolve.

^^^

Yes, because it is not for the sake of an ideal.

It is for the sake of an identity.

right, so you win by not playing that game

^ ^ ^

(it's happening!)

Sorry, but you can't quit the game of laws and state.

If we could just walk away from that, there would be no issue. But we can't.

I can't just opt out from having to feed myself.

I cannot opt out of hate speech laws.

But the solution can't be to just mimic what we see

We see them tribally defending one another without regard to truth...

I never said we should mimic it.

There was a fundamental distinction I made.

it's not the game of laws and state though

Politics is downstream from Culture.

If you're trying to win the game on politics, you're playing it wrong.

Marxists are very clearly *not* playing the game of laws and state