or excluding it

I think @zutt wants Tim to maintain his principles

yeah but he's center left

Classic liberalism feels more center now.

But can look at mess dems are now and see it

not to move because someone else wants them to

Tbh freedom is a right wing talking point now

i don't think red pilling tim would work, he kinda knows what he is talking about 😉

No Centeralist still support lower taxes

Which a fiscal point of view is almost the most important part of a party.

I am not into tax reform discussions tbh

Tim is too caught up on not offending people and letting them do harmful things than telling people to face reality.

I as a centrist am for lower taxes

I am more into making things more efficient

First

I don't even know where to start on taxes

I do

my first though is just that "it works"

Taxation is theft

thought*

@Dr.Wol is that because you identify with it or people tell you that you are?

Thats very libertarian position

Taxation is a necessity

i'm for taxes in the amount needed to run government. then again i absolutely believe that government spends too much money on bullshit.

Cause I can call myself a woman but that doesnt mean im am

If you want to maintain state

I identify as one,

Cuz i am for a "safety net" but i'm against welfare as a principle

how will the government pay for infrastructure or literally anything else then

amongst other things

McDonalds toll roads are the future guys

I take points from both left and right

The question then becomes definition of a state

so i can't call myself exclusively one of those too

And thats very blurred right now

corporations don't have incentive to run in place of the government unless it will make them money

Well you really need to hard line your beliefs cause welfare reform is what you are after which is definitely a RED position

Exactly. McGestapos will extract money for roads

privatized police sounds like a great idea. just let OCP run it 😄

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