by government

feelsgood

you had a whole talk earlier about ethics and legality

thus communists always need to outlaw other way of thinkin to make people Believe in the system in order for it to work

yeah so?

The constitution is for United States citizens, while the bill of rights applies to everyone who enters our nation.

humanity is by nature, irrational. we rely more on our lense of the world and the emotions and opinions of our "tribe" or society to form our own. now this isent something we have just begun, this was a evolutionary benefit. however, the realm of facts and statistics have only come along recently (in relative with the evolution of humanity) meaning we have not adapted as a whole species toward that line of thinking

ethics don't matter

i would argue most peoples lenses aren't as poor as their ability to compose a picture out of what they can see(verbally)

Work ethic is just a by product of Standards created to uphold a certian way of maintaning order

Ethics is just a standard of Maintance

alright you did it

you won

we aren't well sorted in defining hard concepts because its not taught rationally, we all watch politics etc for entertainment but do not often take steps to clearly define things for ourselves, instead just being impressed somebody has a very basic understanding and therfor can make or refute a point in a way we all should be capable of but aren't

@Matt-Kill723 shit

Thats bad

@Yugure people may not see everything without bias but we can still use reason to the degree that it exists objectivisism is just using that to your best interests as reason as a guider and values being the purpose of life plus people see things as groups and tribes because of the collective ideology that been taught to them

:^|

>:^|

at that point we give up and just go with "emotions"

@Ottobon yes and no

https://scontent.fbkl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45222656_305068466994643_1141961160384315392_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fbkl1-1.fna&oh=59de0d76f6eb1e7b1bcfa4e7416f31a2&oe=5C3C1B16

ONLY A MINOR CORRECTION
I'M SURE THEY GOT THE JIST OF IT THOUGH

ha

tim pool: "the associated press is greaT"

Termites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gS8kKxbLng

so many termites

@Yugure I recommend reading the fountainhead if you want to see these ideas in action in the form of Howard Roark

Ttv. That's been a part of our mental evolutionary path for centuries, we have seen things from tibalistic perspectives since before we could write laws. Also, again that's the point of an Ethos pathos logos argument. Staistics are important in modern debate to reinforce your view, but you need to use emotional appeals to saw the audience

I still gotta read "the wrath of nation's" for a lit review on nationalism and ethnic conflict for a college class

I hate tribalism... but right now, one side wants to oppress the other through censorship and manipulation. :\

Fountainhead > Anthem > Atlas Shrugged >>>>>>>>> We The Living
CMM

@Yugure yes emotions are important but reason even more so also why we have been tribes is because it was not possible to survive without others look at when we started to reason fire came along trade plants

How can we avoid tribalism when one side goes full tribal and wants to make us secondary citizens in our own nation?

The left has become something of oppressors.

Tribalism right now isnt a choice as one side forces you the US or them Scenario

Be loyal to ideas, not to politicians

@Dusty Morgan modern collectivism is a more updated tribalism for more insight

Exactly @Swedishmafia101