@Beemann yes, it was called your retirement plan

It was, it isn't any longer

Have enough children in the hope that enough of them would live into adulthood and take care of your elderly butt

Cost of living in some areas is high enough that your kids won't be able to support you

@Beemann they dont have to

Which means you'd have to rely on collective movement

they arent bound morally by it

Why are you saying that to me when it wasn't my point?

it depends where the values stand

What's the rational basis for a family unit, or is there not one?

depends

On?

do you mean just normal family units

people may want to pursue kids

We'll use a "nuclear family" for simplicity's sake

love is selfish and only an altruist brute would disagree

The elderly took care of the grandkids, the kids took care of their parents and the grandkids were the next in line to continue your culture

The classic purpose of the old school nuclear family is/was child raising, not just child creation.

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Also nuclear family is still pretty modern tbh

Extended families are more oldschool

But we'll just keep it to nuclear families

I have trouble keeping up with all the american “new” definitions of family types

Nuclear family is 2 parents, kids, and that's it

Agree on the definition

Extended families were 3 generations in one house

is this about whether families are rational or not or the systems

People still use it today, and it is outperforming both single parent and 2 parent households from what I can tell

smh

Red tide

Well no, it's more specific

It's about whether or not the rational for families is immediately apparent, at the moment where you make the decision

Wait what family structure is more optimal?

as long as you arent acting on mindless whims

If you didn't know the statistics for single parent households, what would your rationale be for keeping the family together?

Extended families are better than double parent households?

@>_ extended

What if your mom is dysfunctional and you don’t want her around your kids

You should read some of the stories from cultures where there is no concept of monogamy so the fathers have no idea which kid is their's, so none of them give any shits for any of the women or children in their society

That's a specific scenario

Like the Arche people in Paraguay