Message from @Antireal

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2018-11-08 06:01:30 UTC  

so I got a message from Ryan Reynolds on Twitter

2018-11-08 06:01:45 UTC  

?

2018-11-08 06:01:59 UTC  

If the senses aren't adequate to your desired position to make them which most scenarios they don't need to be we can use tools or develop but this still proves things through reason

objective reality cant be based on senses

2018-11-08 06:01:59 UTC  

Tell him to fuck off @Rainspector23

2018-11-08 06:02:20 UTC  

he posted “go vote your ass off today” and I was the first reply saying “already did daddy Deadpool” and it got so many likes

2018-11-08 06:02:37 UTC  

Our senses is the only way we can approximate objective reality ronald

2018-11-08 06:02:41 UTC  

it is always based on that

2018-11-08 06:02:53 UTC  

@tritrium it is objective if it doesn't contradict

2018-11-08 06:03:05 UTC  

again

2018-11-08 06:03:09 UTC  

only approximation

2018-11-08 06:03:40 UTC  

Why don’t you two move this to debate

2018-11-08 06:03:43 UTC  

Objective reality would have to be based on what it is. Not what you preceive it to be at any point in time.

2018-11-08 06:04:05 UTC  

^

2018-11-08 06:04:11 UTC  

@Malt_Hitman yes the senses perceive if not feelings

if we are both in the same room and i think its too hot and you think its cold what is reality

2018-11-08 06:04:37 UTC  

Before you can have reality, you have to exist. Can you proove you exist, can any of us?

2018-11-08 06:04:37 UTC  

Reality would be the temperature in the room.

2018-11-08 06:04:43 UTC  

@Ronald McFunkytown✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ that of course it more complicated because that's motivated by feelings

2018-11-08 06:05:08 UTC  

Reality would the room tempature yes

2018-11-08 06:05:27 UTC  

Those are both your perceptions on the temperature in the room. The room's temperature is objective.

2018-11-08 06:05:55 UTC  

@Antireal perceptions motivated by feelings to form a concept

2018-11-08 06:06:55 UTC  

And this disproves reason how?

2018-11-08 06:07:25 UTC  

Recent discoveries done with the universe have destroyed objective realities once believed.
In fact a lot of them completely turned everything on its head.
But at the time that was logically consistent and objectively measured.
Yet it was wrong.

2018-11-08 06:07:45 UTC  

and thats the forefront of science and thinkers

2018-11-08 06:08:14 UTC  

What recent discoveries are you referring to?

2018-11-08 06:08:18 UTC  

@tritrium sure but we advanced so did our technology and understanding

2018-11-08 06:08:30 UTC  

Its not like the reality changed

2018-11-08 06:08:34 UTC  

No

2018-11-08 06:08:41 UTC  

But our approximation to it has

2018-11-08 06:09:09 UTC  

Yes it was disproven but we used reason to get closer

2018-11-08 06:09:18 UTC  

Who made the tools?

2018-11-08 06:09:26 UTC  

higgs, dark matter, red shift, etc malt

2018-11-08 06:09:27 UTC  

How'd we make them?

our idea of whats true is true until it isnt

2018-11-08 06:09:41 UTC  

Im not arguing about reason booled

2018-11-08 06:09:50 UTC  
2018-11-08 06:10:22 UTC  

Im arguing that we can only approximate objective reality

2018-11-08 06:10:37 UTC  

To some extent yes I guess

2018-11-08 06:11:04 UTC  

We cant know reality to a certain degree without time

2018-11-08 06:11:14 UTC  

objective reality itself doesnt change, our ability to approximate it does however.