Message from @spectro

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2018-11-22 23:49:48 UTC  

It's a multitude of factors, owing to utility of children and overall costs. Costs are raising in cities

2018-11-22 23:49:50 UTC  

@Grenade123 but what happens if over half a country goes unemployed

2018-11-22 23:50:01 UTC  

Education also plays a statistical factor

2018-11-22 23:50:16 UTC  

So no jobs have been made to replace the operator jobs?

2018-11-22 23:50:17 UTC  

That's a real problem, grenade. You end up with an economy that focuses on luxuries.

2018-11-22 23:50:33 UTC  

The difference is that it was gradual

2018-11-22 23:50:50 UTC  

Who repairs the machines?

2018-11-22 23:51:09 UTC  

I'm a programmer, how do I have a job?

2018-11-22 23:51:25 UTC  

Less people than it replaced and with automation probably more machines repairing machines

2018-11-22 23:51:53 UTC  

AI will automate some programming though that will likely be a while down the road

2018-11-22 23:52:24 UTC  

I know for a fact long term we will be fine but look at machines in early 1900

2018-11-22 23:52:43 UTC  

Do we not want to avoid a great depression?

2018-11-22 23:52:43 UTC  

I'm also not convinced that automation will be as widespread a solution as people are saying

2018-11-22 23:53:03 UTC  

You are using the same arguments used for line workers and phone operators.

2018-11-22 23:53:09 UTC  

it will kill off many jobs that people are using as an excuse for more migration though

2018-11-22 23:53:24 UTC  

Automation has its ups and downs, the danger is that it is a major portion of the population going unemployed

2018-11-22 23:53:37 UTC  

but it will take less people to run a factory than do without automation, even with jobs created in other fields like maintenance and repair

2018-11-22 23:53:46 UTC  

Was the great depression caused by automation?

2018-11-22 23:54:05 UTC  

probably multivariable like most problems

2018-11-22 23:54:14 UTC  

Machines played a big part I am sure, about 90% of people worked in agriculture before it

2018-11-22 23:54:33 UTC  

most people grew their own food

2018-11-22 23:55:21 UTC  

This was their profession, it also includes forestry in that statistic

2018-11-22 23:56:33 UTC  

Automation makes things cheaper. Which means people need less wealth. Also, if too many people are replaced by automation, but the price does not drop enough, then the owners of those tools start to see income decline as less people can afford them.

2018-11-22 23:56:34 UTC  

mexicans

2018-11-22 23:57:00 UTC  

Programmers, technicians, and engineers will be needed but not as many as we're needed to produce stuff before robots.

2018-11-22 23:57:23 UTC  

Lifestyle changes likely also part of great depression, higher demand for luxury requires doing more just enough to eat and trade food. Sears catalog became popular shortly before.

2018-11-22 23:57:47 UTC  

Also, as companies need less workers, they can expand as most are greedy enough to want to grow. Meaning that those jobs the removed get replaced with maintenance workers for themselves, and the suppliers they need to expand.

2018-11-22 23:58:28 UTC  

Can you estimate how many jobs will be lost vs created though Grenade?

2018-11-22 23:58:37 UTC  

Can you?

2018-11-22 23:58:40 UTC  

The issue here is not concept but scale.

2018-11-22 23:59:01 UTC  

Can you know for a fact unemployment will grow faster than new jobs?

2018-11-22 23:59:21 UTC  

The question will become what happens to our society when the disparity becomes even greater than now. When 80+% of wealth is held by a fraction of 1%. Is that sustainable without some kind of tectonic shift. I don't think so. I think Trump's election is recent proof that such inequity will not be tolerated.

2018-11-22 23:59:25 UTC  

unless we find a new market of work, it will

2018-11-22 23:59:25 UTC  

I would guess that would be the case otherwise why implement automation to begin with

2018-11-23 00:00:23 UTC  

As you state, with automation mass produced stuff becomes cheap enough that even the poor live like Kings of old.

2018-11-23 00:00:32 UTC  

Machines in the past raised unemployement without creating enough mechanics to replace the reduction in agricultural workers specifically

2018-11-23 00:00:37 UTC  

If peoples quality of life goes up despite inequality increasing, people wont care

2018-11-23 00:00:57 UTC  

Also, can you prove that a second great depression caused by automation would ultimately be bad. Is it worth it to have an increased period of human suffering if there is a massive drop in average human suffering after that growning pain is over?

2018-11-23 00:01:05 UTC  

But will the voting majority be satisfied with the crumbs even if they are a feast in a historical sense

2018-11-23 00:01:15 UTC  

yes

2018-11-23 00:01:22 UTC  

they are right now too