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@Grenade123 the small portion of people lost their jobs unemployment went up we needed new jobs and likely balanced out
@DrYuriMom who pays them once they have all the wealth?
It's a multitude of factors, owing to utility of children and overall costs. Costs are raising in cities
@Grenade123 but what happens if over half a country goes unemployed
Education also plays a statistical factor
So no jobs have been made to replace the operator jobs?
That's a real problem, grenade. You end up with an economy that focuses on luxuries.
The difference is that it was gradual
Who repairs the machines?
I'm a programmer, how do I have a job?
Less people than it replaced and with automation probably more machines repairing machines
AI will automate some programming though that will likely be a while down the road
I know for a fact long term we will be fine but look at machines in early 1900
Do we not want to avoid a great depression?
I'm also not convinced that automation will be as widespread a solution as people are saying
You are using the same arguments used for line workers and phone operators.
it will kill off many jobs that people are using as an excuse for more migration though
Automation has its ups and downs, the danger is that it is a major portion of the population going unemployed
but it will take less people to run a factory than do without automation, even with jobs created in other fields like maintenance and repair
Was the great depression caused by automation?
Machines played a big part I am sure, about 90% of people worked in agriculture before it
most people grew their own food
This was their profession, it also includes forestry in that statistic
Automation makes things cheaper. Which means people need less wealth. Also, if too many people are replaced by automation, but the price does not drop enough, then the owners of those tools start to see income decline as less people can afford them.
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Programmers, technicians, and engineers will be needed but not as many as we're needed to produce stuff before robots.
Lifestyle changes likely also part of great depression, higher demand for luxury requires doing more just enough to eat and trade food. Sears catalog became popular shortly before.
Also, as companies need less workers, they can expand as most are greedy enough to want to grow. Meaning that those jobs the removed get replaced with maintenance workers for themselves, and the suppliers they need to expand.
Can you estimate how many jobs will be lost vs created though Grenade?
Can you?
The issue here is not concept but scale.
Can you know for a fact unemployment will grow faster than new jobs?
The question will become what happens to our society when the disparity becomes even greater than now. When 80+% of wealth is held by a fraction of 1%. Is that sustainable without some kind of tectonic shift. I don't think so. I think Trump's election is recent proof that such inequity will not be tolerated.
unless we find a new market of work, it will
I would guess that would be the case otherwise why implement automation to begin with
As you state, with automation mass produced stuff becomes cheap enough that even the poor live like Kings of old.
Machines in the past raised unemployement without creating enough mechanics to replace the reduction in agricultural workers specifically
If peoples quality of life goes up despite inequality increasing, people wont care
Also, can you prove that a second great depression caused by automation would ultimately be bad. Is it worth it to have an increased period of human suffering if there is a massive drop in average human suffering after that growning pain is over?
But will the voting majority be satisfied with the crumbs even if they are a feast in a historical sense