Message from @Dr.Wol

Discord ID: 515317224333115392


2018-11-23 00:03:24 UTC  

machines do not have wealth, they are someone's.

2018-11-23 00:03:45 UTC  

Yes, they are. Just as we tax cars we can tax automation.

2018-11-23 00:03:49 UTC  

The obvious answer is tax them then

2018-11-23 00:03:55 UTC  

you don't tax the car though, you tax its owner

2018-11-23 00:04:01 UTC  

What happens to the economy when everyone starts hording wealth?

2018-11-23 00:04:07 UTC  

You tax the car, the owner pays if

2018-11-23 00:04:10 UTC  

It even

2018-11-23 00:04:24 UTC  

yes, but you tax a minor portion,

How much would you tax the robots?

2018-11-23 00:04:27 UTC  

We tax the owner for owning the car. The car is a choice. Using automation is a choice.

2018-11-23 00:04:41 UTC  

Taxing cars means the poor can't have cars.

2018-11-23 00:04:45 UTC  

Economy slows down if people horde wealth

2018-11-23 00:04:47 UTC  

And it should be minor and based on the call produced

2018-11-23 00:04:49 UTC  

I live in such a state.

2018-11-23 00:05:02 UTC  

Or Fiat I should say

2018-11-23 00:05:17 UTC  

listen if i can buy a can of beans for 50% of what I am paying now, Idc if they replaced the human workers with robots. And that leaves me 50% to spend on other shit.

2018-11-23 00:05:22 UTC  

it just forces people to look for ways around it so they can have a car and still afford food and rent

2018-11-23 00:05:27 UTC  

Cuz in my experience, companies that get taxed more just raise prices to compensate

meaning you're giving wealth to people, who will gain nothign due to them losing purchasing power

2018-11-23 00:05:31 UTC  

By taxing the production of automation we tax according to ability to pay

2018-11-23 00:06:14 UTC  

taxes are paid by the buyers, always.

2018-11-23 00:06:19 UTC  

not the sellers

2018-11-23 00:06:40 UTC  

yes, but they're getting it from the welfare generated by the robot owners

2018-11-23 00:06:44 UTC  

This is really nothing different than Trump's tarriffs. You tax production you find less socially appealing (imports) to encourage production in a more appealing manner (domestic)

2018-11-23 00:06:45 UTC  

who hike prices to the sellers

2018-11-23 00:06:52 UTC  

We should consider some rather crazy policy for short term strictly

2018-11-23 00:06:57 UTC  

I'm actually playing from Trump's playbook here

2018-11-23 00:07:28 UTC  

the difference here though is that instead of taxing outsiders, you're taxing your own

2018-11-23 00:07:28 UTC  

You assume that is a good thing.

2018-11-23 00:07:31 UTC  

Long term protectionism is just protection from competition

2018-11-23 00:07:38 UTC  

So let's tax production by machines to level the playing field for human beings

2018-11-23 00:07:55 UTC  

I don't disagree beemamn

2018-11-23 00:08:08 UTC  

ew, nty. I want my beans as cheap as they can be.

2018-11-23 00:08:09 UTC  

But this is the way Americans seem to like it

2018-11-23 00:08:42 UTC  

then maybe I can go to that concert...or that movie....or that ....other human made thing, cuz i got more money.

2018-11-23 00:08:48 UTC  

Tax based on what we find socially acceptable to encourage production by socially acceptable means

2018-11-23 00:08:52 UTC  

Also, Trump's playbook is to tariff things to force a renegotiation with bad trade deals that leave the US disadvantaged. The tariffs are not the goal.

2018-11-23 00:09:04 UTC  

That's not what he says

2018-11-23 00:09:16 UTC  

He says he wants to help American steel workers

2018-11-23 00:09:26 UTC  

He wants to direct production back here

2018-11-23 00:09:37 UTC  

same thing isn't it?

2018-11-23 00:09:47 UTC  

good trade deals for US means american workers benefit

2018-11-23 00:09:52 UTC  

He asserts that it's not here because of bad deals