Message from @Grenade123

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2018-11-22 23:58:40 UTC  

The issue here is not concept but scale.

2018-11-22 23:59:01 UTC  

Can you know for a fact unemployment will grow faster than new jobs?

2018-11-22 23:59:21 UTC  

The question will become what happens to our society when the disparity becomes even greater than now. When 80+% of wealth is held by a fraction of 1%. Is that sustainable without some kind of tectonic shift. I don't think so. I think Trump's election is recent proof that such inequity will not be tolerated.

2018-11-22 23:59:25 UTC  

unless we find a new market of work, it will

2018-11-22 23:59:25 UTC  

I would guess that would be the case otherwise why implement automation to begin with

2018-11-23 00:00:23 UTC  

As you state, with automation mass produced stuff becomes cheap enough that even the poor live like Kings of old.

2018-11-23 00:00:32 UTC  

Machines in the past raised unemployement without creating enough mechanics to replace the reduction in agricultural workers specifically

2018-11-23 00:00:37 UTC  

If peoples quality of life goes up despite inequality increasing, people wont care

2018-11-23 00:00:57 UTC  

Also, can you prove that a second great depression caused by automation would ultimately be bad. Is it worth it to have an increased period of human suffering if there is a massive drop in average human suffering after that growning pain is over?

2018-11-23 00:01:05 UTC  

But will the voting majority be satisfied with the crumbs even if they are a feast in a historical sense

2018-11-23 00:01:15 UTC  

yes

2018-11-23 00:01:22 UTC  

they are right now too

2018-11-23 00:01:22 UTC  

We need new jobs we can't imagine would exist for sure

2018-11-23 00:01:27 UTC  

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2018-11-23 00:01:37 UTC  

The question is if we can get them fast enough

2018-11-23 00:02:05 UTC  

Would you rather technically progress be halted now? Or perhaps in the 1700s? Because of fear of us not figuring shit out?

2018-11-23 00:02:23 UTC  

No

2018-11-23 00:02:24 UTC  

necessity is the mother of invention

2018-11-23 00:02:42 UTC  

The only way to predict the future is to limit it's possiblities.

2018-11-23 00:02:42 UTC  

But redistribution of wealth from machine to man is worth discussing

2018-11-23 00:03:00 UTC  

Is it? Does redistribute of wealth work?

2018-11-23 00:03:03 UTC  

how much you wanna redistribute?

2018-11-23 00:03:14 UTC  

That's part of the discussion

2018-11-23 00:03:21 UTC  

Feast might not come for anyone who survives the depression though

2018-11-23 00:03:22 UTC  

And can you prove it is not the default state of the market?

2018-11-23 00:03:24 UTC  

machines do not have wealth, they are someone's.

2018-11-23 00:03:45 UTC  

Yes, they are. Just as we tax cars we can tax automation.

2018-11-23 00:03:49 UTC  

The obvious answer is tax them then

2018-11-23 00:03:55 UTC  

you don't tax the car though, you tax its owner

2018-11-23 00:04:01 UTC  

What happens to the economy when everyone starts hording wealth?

2018-11-23 00:04:07 UTC  

You tax the car, the owner pays if

2018-11-23 00:04:10 UTC  

It even

2018-11-23 00:04:24 UTC  

yes, but you tax a minor portion,

How much would you tax the robots?

2018-11-23 00:04:27 UTC  

We tax the owner for owning the car. The car is a choice. Using automation is a choice.

2018-11-23 00:04:41 UTC  

Taxing cars means the poor can't have cars.

2018-11-23 00:04:45 UTC  

Economy slows down if people horde wealth

2018-11-23 00:04:47 UTC  

And it should be minor and based on the call produced

2018-11-23 00:04:49 UTC  

I live in such a state.

2018-11-23 00:05:02 UTC  

Or Fiat I should say