Message from @The Yellow King

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2018-11-23 00:26:47 UTC  

I go out of my way to avoid automatic sales stations in meat space

2018-11-23 00:26:58 UTC  

This is why redistribution doesn't work.

2018-11-23 00:27:01 UTC  

Or we tax them

2018-11-23 00:27:02 UTC  

I worked retail and know what our is like

2018-11-23 00:27:32 UTC  

If you give everyone basic income, that becomes the new poor who can't afford to live.

2018-11-23 00:27:37 UTC  

and besides, you are kina missing the point. Robots aren't competing with humans, here in the US, they are competing with slave labor over seas.

2018-11-23 00:27:41 UTC  

My point is I see it as directly comparable to the current trade debate

2018-11-23 00:27:54 UTC  

we don't

2018-11-23 00:27:54 UTC  

😛

2018-11-23 00:28:03 UTC  

You've not sufficiently argued that case

2018-11-23 00:28:06 UTC  

Robots are competing with humans

2018-11-23 00:28:35 UTC  

And will increasingly compete with humans

2018-11-23 00:28:36 UTC  

they don't compete, humans can't keep up they can't compete

2018-11-23 00:28:43 UTC  

Exactly

2018-11-23 00:28:51 UTC  

That's my point

2018-11-23 00:28:56 UTC  

Humans don't compete with robots, we make robots to do things we don't want to do.

2018-11-23 00:29:05 UTC  

So tax them for thier excess production

2018-11-23 00:29:05 UTC  

So, if you are against slavery, you have to be pro-robot

2018-11-23 00:29:11 UTC  

Robots will lower the costs

2018-11-23 00:29:17 UTC  

since you no logner need the labor payment

2018-11-23 00:29:18 UTC  

Which is why we should be afraid of thinking machines that can self improve

2018-11-23 00:29:25 UTC  

so instead of having to tax them to keep up with prices

2018-11-23 00:29:29 UTC  

just have the prices lowered

2018-11-23 00:29:56 UTC  

But then wealth will flow unrestrained to those who own the robots.

2018-11-23 00:30:03 UTC  

Why?

2018-11-23 00:30:10 UTC  

yeah, in just as small a portion

2018-11-23 00:30:20 UTC  

And we end up with even more inequality that the populace is already restive over

2018-11-23 00:30:28 UTC  

if i can buy a car for 100 dollars due to incredibly low costs,

the rich guy gets 100 dollars

2018-11-23 00:30:28 UTC  

If no one had wealth to give them anymore, how does it flow to them?

2018-11-23 00:30:34 UTC  

instead of like 80.000

2018-11-23 00:30:44 UTC  

It needs to flow from them back down.

2018-11-23 00:30:59 UTC  

Or they stop getting any, and they stop buying from other people

2018-11-23 00:31:05 UTC  

yeah, though just the normal progressive tax

2018-11-23 00:31:21 UTC  

Again that is post scarcity

2018-11-23 00:31:24 UTC  

you don't have to tax them more cuz people don't need that much to stay around

2018-11-23 00:31:31 UTC  

Again, are Americans willing to let a fraction of 1% of the population have greater than 80% of all wealth?

2018-11-23 00:31:37 UTC  

Post scarcity is once the robots can replace themselves, removing all need for labor

2018-11-23 00:31:38 UTC  

Once humans are no longer needed for labor you have post scarcity

2018-11-23 00:31:44 UTC  

They can

2018-11-23 00:31:47 UTC  

Yes, they are willing to

2018-11-23 00:31:58 UTC  

Then why did they vote in Trump?