Message from @Beemann

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2018-11-23 14:39:15 UTC  

Beeman, china is not communist even if their party is communist

2018-11-23 14:39:19 UTC  

>freely
so china will allow competition for state run/owned businesses?

2018-11-23 14:39:21 UTC  

Communism requires a classless, stateless society

2018-11-23 14:39:22 UTC  

I didnt say it was communist

2018-11-23 14:39:25 UTC  

I said it was socialist

2018-11-23 14:39:30 UTC  

Same thing btw

2018-11-23 14:39:32 UTC  

I've been very specific in my phrasing

2018-11-23 14:39:34 UTC  

it's not lol

2018-11-23 14:39:35 UTC  

But like hey

2018-11-23 14:39:35 UTC  

holy fuck

2018-11-23 14:39:40 UTC  

communism is not socialism

2018-11-23 14:39:44 UTC  

never said it was good

2018-11-23 14:39:52 UTC  

2 times

2018-11-23 14:39:58 UTC  

it's not about quality

2018-11-23 14:40:18 UTC  

**IT'S NOT ABOUT QUALITY**

2018-11-23 14:40:24 UTC  

Nothing is 100% beeman

2018-11-23 14:40:29 UTC  

it's about the characteristics of the system

2018-11-23 14:40:33 UTC  

It's all about percent

2018-11-23 14:40:41 UTC  

China owns the means of production, ergo it's a socialist system

2018-11-23 14:41:12 UTC  

Not all means of production

2018-11-23 14:41:14 UTC  

Nazi Germany also allowed individuals to run and profit from running companies, but at the end of the day the state determined what happened to that company

2018-11-23 14:41:19 UTC  

Just the largest means

2018-11-23 14:41:20 UTC  

Codes is also wrong. China is far from capitalist

2018-11-23 14:41:22 UTC  

you are allowed to operate a business, but you don't own it

2018-11-23 14:41:27 UTC  

^

2018-11-23 14:41:50 UTC  

@Abel I disagree with the "also" though, as I never said China was communist, just that it wasnt capitalist

2018-11-23 14:41:55 UTC  

You guys seem to thing that your either capitalist or your not

2018-11-23 14:41:59 UTC  

the only capitalism that china use is state run capitalism

2018-11-23 14:42:10 UTC  

"state run capitalism" isn't capitalism

2018-11-23 14:42:15 UTC  

Its privately owned by people that are part of the party

2018-11-23 14:42:16 UTC  

Economic systems merge

2018-11-23 14:42:17 UTC  

so yes

2018-11-23 14:42:19 UTC  

And twist

2018-11-23 14:42:21 UTC  

its not true capitalism

2018-11-23 14:42:25 UTC  

Many of the biggest companies are still state owned.

2018-11-23 14:42:26 UTC  

it's like saying you have a democracy when you have only one viable candidate

2018-11-23 14:42:35 UTC  

China Telecom (中国电信集团公司), for example, is state owned.

2018-11-23 14:42:44 UTC  

its private businesses free market controlled by Xinpings inner group

2018-11-23 14:42:54 UTC  

it's not private if it's owned by the government

2018-11-23 14:42:55 UTC  

What they do, though, is issue shares that can be publicly traded.

2018-11-23 14:42:57 UTC  

by definition