Message from @Undead Mockingbird

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2018-11-23 14:41:12 UTC  

Not all means of production

2018-11-23 14:41:14 UTC  

Nazi Germany also allowed individuals to run and profit from running companies, but at the end of the day the state determined what happened to that company

2018-11-23 14:41:19 UTC  

Just the largest means

2018-11-23 14:41:20 UTC  

Codes is also wrong. China is far from capitalist

2018-11-23 14:41:22 UTC  

you are allowed to operate a business, but you don't own it

2018-11-23 14:41:27 UTC  

^

2018-11-23 14:41:50 UTC  

@Abel I disagree with the "also" though, as I never said China was communist, just that it wasnt capitalist

2018-11-23 14:41:55 UTC  

You guys seem to thing that your either capitalist or your not

2018-11-23 14:41:59 UTC  

the only capitalism that china use is state run capitalism

2018-11-23 14:42:10 UTC  

"state run capitalism" isn't capitalism

2018-11-23 14:42:15 UTC  

Its privately owned by people that are part of the party

2018-11-23 14:42:16 UTC  

Economic systems merge

2018-11-23 14:42:17 UTC  

so yes

2018-11-23 14:42:19 UTC  

And twist

2018-11-23 14:42:21 UTC  

its not true capitalism

2018-11-23 14:42:25 UTC  

Many of the biggest companies are still state owned.

2018-11-23 14:42:26 UTC  

it's like saying you have a democracy when you have only one viable candidate

2018-11-23 14:42:35 UTC  

China Telecom (中国电信集团公司), for example, is state owned.

2018-11-23 14:42:44 UTC  

its private businesses free market controlled by Xinpings inner group

2018-11-23 14:42:54 UTC  

it's not private if it's owned by the government

2018-11-23 14:42:55 UTC  

What they do, though, is issue shares that can be publicly traded.

2018-11-23 14:42:57 UTC  

by definition

2018-11-23 14:43:10 UTC  

no its "privately owned by members of the chinese communist party"

2018-11-23 14:43:12 UTC  

Those usually appear in stock exchanges in Hong Kong (H shares), Shanghai and Shenzhen.

2018-11-23 14:43:13 UTC  

thats what they call it

2018-11-23 14:43:26 UTC  

@Walsp It's not capitalist if the public isn't allowed to own and sell it

2018-11-23 14:43:27 UTC  

the reality as we all are aware is not private

2018-11-23 14:43:29 UTC  

which is a distinction without a difference

2018-11-23 14:43:31 UTC  

I am not really sure what to call this.

2018-11-23 14:43:45 UTC  

It's socialism with a pink ribbon on top

2018-11-23 14:43:55 UTC  

its capitalist if its a "Free market " but we know they monitor it

2018-11-23 14:44:02 UTC  

I suppose it's all hybrid nowadays.

2018-11-23 14:44:08 UTC  

yes

2018-11-23 14:44:08 UTC  

Allowing people to own minor shares in a company doesnt mean it's a hybrid

2018-11-23 14:44:13 UTC  

Then I guess America is not capitalist

2018-11-23 14:44:20 UTC  

Heavily monitored

2018-11-23 14:44:20 UTC  

they use a Hybrid system of it but not completely

2018-11-23 14:44:22 UTC  

so how much of Monsanto does the state own?

2018-11-23 14:44:34 UTC  

Walsp actually gets it

2018-11-23 14:44:37 UTC  

there was a article on it but i fear it is propaganda

2018-11-23 14:44:43 UTC  

Be warned