Right. Murder, Rape, Theft (as long as it's not tax evasion theft), mutilating children, all that stuff, can't be protected by federal law.

It's as if you have a line in the sand. Pot is fine on this side and on that side, but because I have stepped across that line, I am suddenly a criminal?

@JustTom , correct. Unless it can be linked to a treaty or the constitution.

Yep. Oregon could pass a law legalizing murder, and the federal government would be powerless.

correct @JustTom - those are the province of the states
unless there is some vector by which the feds find jurisdiction

Legalizing murder?

I am not sure about htat.

Sure. What federal power grants jurisdiction?

Too late @Undead Mockingbird It's already federally legal!

Maybe if the law is ineffective.

@Bookworm , depends. The victim has a federal right to due process which could be argued to be trampled upon.

Except the judiciary has no part in the proceedings?

Cat and paradigm both just agreed with me :D;;; We're all on the same page about what is and isn't legal at this point, due to this ruling. We're just on opposing sides about wether we think it's right or not.

Thus due process doesn't apply.

Maybe Hillary Clinton is considered her own state and that is why it's okay for her to suicide people.

Oh, no, don't get me wrong. This is absolutely terrible.

But it is the law of the land as it stands.

regarding de-criminalized murder... I'd venture that a 14th amendment challenge would succeed in defeating such a state law

In any case, even good laws generally have downsides. Because we acknowledge a right to individually bear arms we see far more gun killings than other western countries.

Because we have a right to free speech, we have hate speech

Because we reserve rights to the states, you have inconsistent laws across the country

Now now @DrYuriMom , we shouldn't discount them entirely. They have so many more TRUCKS OF PEACE than we do though!

I don't think there is such a thing as hate speech.

@paradigm Not true, the feds havnt been able to smite down the assisted suicide law in Oregan

Actually, the Supreme Court just ruled on that.

Not to mention acid attacks

That is how our nation was designed

Its completely ok

mmm... assisted suicide is a good point

Hey, can I assist that judge who made this ruling in suiciding? I bet he really really wants to die.

Ask Killary.

Tbh I actually agree with assisted suicide

I'll write his suicide note and everything.

Ah, but assisted suicide violates the 14th amendment.

I mean they are gonna die anyway, its gonna be extremely painful, and all the doctor does is provide the pill

It only violates the 14th ammendment if the state assists in the suicide, if an individual does it, it's not a violation.

You still can choose not to take it

But the law which allows for assisted suicide is an abridgment of the individuals privilege to life, and thus enforcing it is a broach of the amendment.

I've watched some serious suffering. I won't participate with assisted suicide on personal moral grounds, but I support the right to it with proper safeguards to ensure it is not abused. And yes, this is a state issue.

Its not enforced, teh state does not require a doctor to provide the pill

Where in the constitution is there a requirement upon the individual that they remain alive?