but if you consent to the sex, you also consent to the possibly of nature taking over

See?

He is not.

you fucking moron

```Well, I can agree with you on that one undead```

Grenade, stop calling me a moron.

but if someone rapes you in a coma, then you are not consenting to anything

You are being raped

He is actually saying the shit that I believe he is saying.

I think if someone rapes you in any situation,
you are being raped 😛

If I have sex with a partner and we use a condom, because we don't want to have a kid, then that is not consent to just let biology run its course.

@Undead Mockingbird no one touched your condom, it broke because you suck at putting a condom on. You no longer have to pay for abortion then? despite the fact it was you who, in the agreement to having sex, would have the protection?

Well true

OMG

But, condoms fail,

This shit is out there now.

It might not be consent, but you still have to accept responsibility if it happens

and you are consenting to the possibility of that happening

Grenade, read again what the hell he is typing.

no undead, you read back and pay attention

@Cody how do you proof that someone put holes in the condom? You establish the fact that he did consent to sex, once this is proven, then it would be on him to proof any such factors

Fine. Surprise me.

Watch where this is going.

That would mean you couldnt just assume the father consented to sex though @Cody

How do you prove the condom was poked with a hole by the girl?

this is for courts to figure out

Well, you'd have to just squeeze out the used condom, to see if stuff gets through, that way you can see it afaik

and then save the condom 😛

It shouldn't matter. You didn't consent to have a child.

or, inspect the condom package thoroughly before use

ofc in the moment, men don't

To then be forced to provide for the child, because the birth control failed, when you had other ways to prevent it, is immoral.

And again, I agree with you undead, but someone poking a whole in the condom, is different from the condom failing randomly

How do you prove it was intentional

You are actually arguing that it would make no difference for her to poke holes into the condom because it could have happened ANYWAY.

That is outrageously bad reasoning.

but to force a child you brought into the world by accident to live without the person who fathered it is immoral too

do we all agree that, if you agree to sex, and you are providing protection from pregnancy as part of that, and your protection fails for whatever reason, then absent foul play you broke the consent agreement, and are to be held responsible for everything that follows.

I aint arguing that at all

And please, do call me a moron again for having misread that.

what about the contract with the condom manufacturer whichs product didnt work as intended though? @Cody