I vote no.

@Cody i consent to the chance of a baby - maybe. But how is that relevant? Wether or not i consent, babies will be born

But, there are some corner cases, I think. If there were severely negligent, like using a condom from China that has a failure rate of 50%, and she is so fat they don't realize she is pregnant until it's too late, it might be different.

@Cody nothing about the existance of any baby intrinsicly makes nature put money in her bank account.

Cases of gross negligence are often treated separately, which presents a grey zone.

That is completely relevant punks, Just because we are in the modern age does not change the core principle of the human race

or for that matter, any species

actually ... no

you might want to read up on biology, but let's skip that point

i won't play devil's advocte here.

@Cody well, you are going to establish that the consequences are unavoidable before declaring them a risk

Biology states, that sex = CHANCE OF LIFE

if it IS avoidable later that i pay her, then it is not a risk

It's okay. I'll hold my tongue on how some animals reproduce.

If you force me to take responsibility, it was not a risk i couldve agreed on. Its you forcing me

well if the guy consented to protected sex then he is not responsible until he is proven to be the father.... if that is the case then there has to be a chance of tempering of protection(for sex) and fraud....

but if there was not @knightlyjug

we're talking about honest cases

So say the condom broke etc, or he consented without protection

oh

@knightlyjug not what we are arguing about. Why does it matter if he IS the father? It was her unilateral decission. Birth control, morning after pill, abortion, adoption. Why should he be responsible for her choices?

he should not

hence the (no foul play) part, he wasn't decieved, or holes poked into the condom, or lied about birthcontrol etc

Okay. We are all in agreement.

we're all in agreement that deception clears him of all responsibility i think

Let's not muddy the waters with more hypotheticals.

I feel like the over-representation of feminism now is like... BRACING FOR IMPACT of what the reality is going to be.

you guys are talking about this shit while i just found out my sister got drugged and raped on monday .

Of so many spinsters who **will not** be getting a man in their lives.

ouch

And they need a constant stream of lies.

Yeah . . apparently the suspect went to highschool with me and my sister

So to prepare for reality, they're believing lies.

sorry to hear that @Walsp

Double check that she wasn't just cheating on her boyfriend.

she doesnt have a boyfriend

Always blaming the victim

she came out of a abusive relationship was single for 3 years now

and the guy she met spiked her drink

the drugs wore of on Thursday

Just double check with the facts before you go lynching someone.

she was hopped on that coctail for 4 days