Yes, reality is not fair. But that is literally what we are talking about:

What would be fair?

If you consented to sex, and there WAS *NO* FOUL PLAY

strap the rape-e down and put the vacuum on her yahoo for purging of the falseley obtained fetus

then you are responsible too

so what is the question? the premise of consent of both parties having sex or the premise of consent to unprotected sex thus creating a child?

@Cody well, i would think it does. Since you seem to play the part of the traditionalist here

You keep saying if you consented to sex, but what if you didn't consent to being a father?

But consenting to SEX is CONSENTING to the CHANCE OF A BABY

This is like nailing jello to the wall.

What does that mean @Cody

Doesn't matter how much you try and prevent it

The question is:
"Should the man be responsible for a child, if he only consented to sex (with protection if needed) that ended up with impregnating the woman (without foul play)" @knightlyjug

I vote no.

@Cody i consent to the chance of a baby - maybe. But how is that relevant? Wether or not i consent, babies will be born

But, there are some corner cases, I think. If there were severely negligent, like using a condom from China that has a failure rate of 50%, and she is so fat they don't realize she is pregnant until it's too late, it might be different.

@Cody nothing about the existance of any baby intrinsicly makes nature put money in her bank account.

Cases of gross negligence are often treated separately, which presents a grey zone.

That is completely relevant punks, Just because we are in the modern age does not change the core principle of the human race

or for that matter, any species

actually ... no

you might want to read up on biology, but let's skip that point

i won't play devil's advocte here.

@Cody well, you are going to establish that the consequences are unavoidable before declaring them a risk

Biology states, that sex = CHANCE OF LIFE

if it IS avoidable later that i pay her, then it is not a risk

It's okay. I'll hold my tongue on how some animals reproduce.

If you force me to take responsibility, it was not a risk i couldve agreed on. Its you forcing me

well if the guy consented to protected sex then he is not responsible until he is proven to be the father.... if that is the case then there has to be a chance of tempering of protection(for sex) and fraud....

but if there was not @knightlyjug

we're talking about honest cases

So say the condom broke etc, or he consented without protection

oh

@knightlyjug not what we are arguing about. Why does it matter if he IS the father? It was her unilateral decission. Birth control, morning after pill, abortion, adoption. Why should he be responsible for her choices?

he should not

hence the (no foul play) part, he wasn't decieved, or holes poked into the condom, or lied about birthcontrol etc

Okay. We are all in agreement.

we're all in agreement that deception clears him of all responsibility i think

Let's not muddy the waters with more hypotheticals.

I feel like the over-representation of feminism now is like... BRACING FOR IMPACT of what the reality is going to be.

you guys are talking about this shit while i just found out my sister got drugged and raped on monday .

Of so many spinsters who **will not** be getting a man in their lives.

ouch