GG @Egon_Albrecht, you just advanced to level 4!

You're comparing this experimenting try and fail surgery to something so heinous it should only be performed on people who deserve to suffer

I mean, testing on criminals was a norm.

Funny fact, Executioner's/torturers were considered a poor man's surgeon, since they knew the human body so well.

Executioner's were also torturers, they did medical work when not doing that.

One of the most famous, who lived in the HRE, said he killed maybe 394 people as a executioner/torturer but he had done medical work on upwards of 1500

Yeah but I’d still say a surgeon should go to college.

I don’t think it takes 8 years because they make you take bullshit classes with it, but I believe college is needed.

There’s way too much you learn from clinicals and book work that you would never know from simply just being in the hospital and doing surgeries

A lot of surgeons also do medical research, which wouldn’t be able to be done if they hadn’t learned the specifics about it in college

Also they didn’t “air out the brain” 😂

It’s to allow the brain to swell, if not it compresses against the skull killing you. But if the swelling really is bad it seeps through the holes which is rank

“I would rather trust a self taught surgeon with 100 successful surgeries, than a highly educated surgeon with no experience.” Dumbest thing I’ve ever read but it’s not your fault because you don’t know medical

The smartest medical people are actually recently graduated because they know all the information off the top of their head and are sharp. The longer you’re in the field you forget things, especially if you never have to practice doing it

Also as a self taught surgeon you know nothing other then what’s in front of you

It’s very important to actually know a lot of book science when it comes to medical, which self taught surgeons don’t know any of it

Okay, so school is more important than experience.

So you would rather contract an inexperienced repairman with no work ever having been done, who has a piece of paper, or a self taught person who has done this thousands of times and has worked in the field for 5 decades.

Okay, I guess his hundreds of successful surgeries, and his tiny amount of unsuccessful means nothing.

I guess you literally can't learn the same exact stuff, without going into debt and getting a cool paper.

One of the doctors to perform the first heart transplant, was self-taught.

He had no formal education.

He went on to teach at the University of Cape Town, while having no degree, and having left school at 14.

Because he was so revered as a doctor.

He learned how to perform transplant operations on injured animals, and became a highly skilled surgeon.

He went on to teach doctors and surgeons, while having absolutely no Magic paper that gives him the instant ability to do surgery.

Most of what we know in the medical field before the past 300 years, was largely from self-taught surgeons.

Only the wealthy could afford actual university taught doctors.

But it's not your fault you don't history very well.

Self-taught doctors were doing surgeries, while university doctors were parading around in long masks filled with spices, claiming they could drain your blood out to cure you, because they learned it in school.

Hell, most of the best in every field were self taught, Steve Erwin never even went to school.

And he was one of the world's leading animal experts and ran one of the largest Zoo's in the world.

Melanie Klein who literally wrote the book on children's Psychology, was self taught, never having a class.

Charles Darwin never saw the inside of a college, he fully taught himself, he developed the concept of evolution.

You're using some extremes here with the "Someone who read a book once vs someone who has literally done this thousands of time"

I'd rather have someone with hands on similar experience and education in that field than someone who's done it themselves before

What we are saying is, someone with NO experience at all, but a piece of paper, or someone who has the done the surgery 100 times successfully.

That's an extremely specific thing for a very specific field. If by 'piece of paper' you mean degree, you have to have gotten a lot of experience hands on in order to graduate those classes. It's not all just paper, even high school science classes aren't just paper

The cases always vary.

In specific cases, academic learning is ideal. In other specific cases, hands on knowledge is ideal.

Say military, no simulator or teacher can truly prepare you for an actual battlefield, that’s something you need to experience personally to understand and overcome.