Message from @Dvir

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2018-11-28 14:39:07 UTC  

No, in the same way being an Armenian isn't a religion, but nearly every Armenian is an Apostolic Christian.

2018-11-28 14:39:49 UTC  

but those concessions arent "Let's make the white guy black for diversity points". This is usually the sign that the guy at the wheel is drunk

2018-11-28 14:40:01 UTC  

@Beemann Let me try it differently then. If I watch a bunch of action movies and don't like them. I'm going to recognise the pattern and stop watching them. But I don't stop watching them because the mostly white male leads are put there, but because the movie is stupid or something.

2018-11-28 14:40:18 UTC  

Or how nearly all of my Aramaean ethnic relatives in the Levant are Maronites, but their ethnicity isn't direct to their religion.

2018-11-28 14:40:22 UTC  

well, afaik
jews are very very racially conscious, and then pretend its only religion when they get called out on it.

2018-11-28 14:40:48 UTC  

Let me conuter that in the same way. If every movie that pushes the diversity narrative in advertising, or highlights a racially swapped character ends up being a low quality shitshow, why would you watch more of them?

2018-11-28 14:40:49 UTC  

@Beemann obviously. You need to know the source material well enough to deviate without missing the point.

2018-11-28 14:40:58 UTC  

It's not a change they just happened to make, m8

2018-11-28 14:41:06 UTC  

it's a deliberate decision they put focus on

2018-11-28 14:41:14 UTC  

You can argue they are racially conscious because they have historically consistently been a social outgroup, such cases breed racial consciousness.

2018-11-28 14:41:29 UTC  

@Dvir what do you think about israel?
is it a country for jews? or would it not be a problem if 80% of the population there (and representation in power) would be nonjewish?

2018-11-28 14:41:41 UTC  

Well, with "The Dark Tower" specifically, it was a significant plot point that there was racial tension between the character Idris Elba replaced, and a black woman from the 1970s. If they make the character black that racial tension can't exist.

2018-11-28 14:41:44 UTC  

*they* are the ones who determine the focus and advertising campaign, all I'm doing is taking their word for it. The difference is the message I get from it

2018-11-28 14:42:01 UTC  

@Atkins what if they made the other character huwhite? :^)

2018-11-28 14:42:27 UTC  

@Dvir why do you think jews have consistently been a social outgroup?

2018-11-28 14:42:35 UTC  

I didn't watch the series so I don't know what they did with it.

2018-11-28 14:42:59 UTC  

I mean I bet they didnt, I'm just saying it would be an option for keeping the racial tension. Would come across v. differently though I imagine

2018-11-28 14:43:07 UTC  

By being a distinct religious diaspora minority within Christendom for millenia.

2018-11-28 14:43:23 UTC  

Easy target for discrimination

2018-11-28 14:43:27 UTC  

@Dvir well, why do they keep living in christian nations, and then not adapt to the culture?

2018-11-28 14:43:36 UTC  

They do

2018-11-28 14:43:39 UTC  

i think jews bring it on to themselves

2018-11-28 14:43:44 UTC  

oy vey

2018-11-28 14:44:14 UTC  

They can retain their judaic religion and still adapt to the greater social culture

2018-11-28 14:44:28 UTC  

they subvert their host culture

2018-11-28 14:44:42 UTC  

Those damned ~~Kulaks~~ Jews, why cant they just fit in? They brought it on themselves

2018-11-28 14:44:42 UTC  

most jews in the west are for mass migration

2018-11-28 14:44:54 UTC  

I'm gonna need a source on that my dude

2018-11-28 14:44:55 UTC  

except when it comes to israel

2018-11-28 14:45:17 UTC  

the local populace is like... well... thats a bit odd
and then they kick out the jews out of their nation

2018-11-28 14:45:28 UTC  

and then the jews are like "oy vey, its like another shoah"

2018-11-28 14:45:34 UTC  

"ah this antisemitism"

2018-11-28 14:45:35 UTC  

it probably depends on the jew @Aghost

2018-11-28 14:45:37 UTC  

"why oh why"

2018-11-28 14:45:42 UTC  

well, thats why

2018-11-28 14:45:48 UTC  

Because most jews are wealthy, because their families were merchants or tradesman since they existed beyond the bounds of feudal society, and middle-upper class whites tend to be for mass migration.

2018-11-28 14:45:54 UTC  

I know a few jews for mass migration and others do not

2018-11-28 14:45:56 UTC  

1. Israel is not an ethnostate
2. There are Jews who promote border control generally
3. Not all Jews love Israel

2018-11-28 14:46:04 UTC  

so stats. Gibsmedat

2018-11-28 14:46:29 UTC  

Ah, we are back to Jews? The the classic reminder dan avidan is out to destroy the west

2018-11-28 14:47:39 UTC  

Israel is the safest country in the Middle East for Christians and other religious minorities.