Whereas communism is ultimately libertarian

communism was socialism as well, with the state party

incorrect

socialism is the stepping stone

well, supposedly

Anyway, I gotta go to work, but remember, Hitler by his own hand wrote his plans to conquer Russia and Ukraine and enslave or liquidate the populations there.

i am of the opinion that work is beneficial, because it molds a person into a useful member of society
if you just give people money for stuff that they didnt do... then you deprive those people of meaning

even in their taken territories, they took everything like food for the socialist elite back at home and created massive famines

If you're going by Marx's theoretical definition of communism, it has never existed.

which is great if you want to use those people to undermine your nation

i think if marxist want communism they need to avoid the state all together, install a culture of helping people willingly, then let them dissolve the state.

@Aghost slaves would build tanks while the 'True aryens' could, idk, own a business and have a 'higher' job.
Actually the German state didn't paid the slaves, right. So every Reich Marks not spent on labour to build tanks is more money to give on social programs

And yes, the Holocaust. The Holocaust happened and the data for it is overwhelming. Not just Jews but Catholics, Gypsies, disabled, and gay men.

Marx's theory was kinda like:
Step 1: Concentrate all power in the hands of a dictator of the proletariat
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Perfect egalitarian post-scarcity utopia!

the nazis killed more russians then all others combined and we hear nothing of it...

@JohnOakman tanks you say?
so, was this in wartime?
because wartime is very different than... ideological ehm... utopian ideas

It was documented by none other than the US Army as they liberated camps and enough video footage to induce nausea until the end of time.

@JohnOakman there is still a cost in slavery. You still need to house and feed them. dead slave doesn't give you labor and just costs you labor to remove.

Literally underpants gnomes-tier political theory.

@Aghost it's an example, they could build buildings, wash the streets, build roads, idk

if you are smart, you keep them happy and well fed. More labor for your buck, less chance of revolt.

@Grenade123 dead slaves don't need supported into elderly care though

the state up until recently had been doing a good job of keeping us slaves happy enough not to revolt.

@Misomania they need to get old for them to need elderly care.

@JohnOakman hmm well thats wrong obviously.
but what are slavs doing in germany in the first place? was probably the thing that crossed hitlers mind
work should be compensated

but you can just release them into the wild at the border of your territory

less of a fuss, they are old so not likely to live long, and you can say "look, you earn your freedom!"

@Atkins you are not wrong

its why idiot marxist keep trying and end up with something so horrible they get amnesia then say it never happened.

im fine with marxist experiments
just do it in a place thats already deprived of... food, and not wealthy nations

we're headed back toward age of corporate gulags still

big part of their love of communism I think is that

Ever-increasing automation and AI integration is likely to cause a commie renaissance.

big love for peopels love for communism is
A. they want free money and they think they'll get it
B. They've been lied to by school/the state about career prospects

C. mass immigration pushing wages down and ruining job vacancies

think of it this way: you work at amazon and they own the apartment complex you live in, the banks you do business at, the stores you shop from, the car you drive, the networks you communicate on, the health network you want to use... everything in your life is owned by the corporation you work for. If they want you to work yourself to death all day everyday for basically nothing then you do it or lose it all

and the state is encouraging this

Don't worry the market will adapt @Misomania /s

Automation and AI will cause concentration of wealth in those who own the capital and patents -> fewer low and unskilled workers necessary (and those positions that remain competed for globally or by third-world immigrants) -> collapse in wages and standard of living -> massive obvious income disparity fracturing society -> Class Consciousness 2.0!

and the corporations encourage the state.

step out of line of your corporate masters and you lose it all and get blacklisted from working again