Message from @Grenade123
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well no
well, whenever you say national socialism, people automatically think of nazis
closer to italian fascism
mussolini didn't care about ethnicity at all
That's because Nazi is short for National Socialism. You're looking for Fascism yes
@Aghost i mean, its their literally full name so....
but don't they conflate the two?
he just cared about primacy of the state in all affairs
nationalist has become a bad word
you naughty naughty nationalist you
@Grenade123 the "nazis" where orginally just against marxism... or... thats what they wanted us to believe (according to ... media)
No wonder the left shot bernie's chances of being prez and probably will keep him from running agian.
socialism isn't Marxism so whats your point?
technically Marxism is anti-state
was marx a socialist?
but good luck removing power from the state once you get through the Socialism part of his plan.
he would be a terrible prez
For a extremely detailed explanation of what the National Socialist German Worker's Party actually believed and implemented as policy, I'd recommend reading/listening to this audiobook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2C90l7YlT8
@Aghost he believed socialism was the next of evolution of society followed by true communism, which is stateless.
technically the only communist countries on earth are socialist ones run by communist parties who don't want to give up power.
i hate that they conflate Nietzsche with Nazis -- it was his fucking sister
@Coochie coo explaining the many differences in beliefs between the two is the main point of the book.
@Grenade123 ok
well the nazis where anti communism, anti stateless society, anti marxism, anti all that shit
because they where ethnic nationalists, they believed people are connected to their territory (just like... other territorial animals)
so the critique of ... well that wasnt marxism... or that wasnt socialism, doesnt really matter to me (its like a detail)
oh do they? @Atkins
and your point?
Yeah. It's really good. Trust me.
oh good
You can be a national socialist (fascist) and not a Nazi
Remember, Mussolini was waaayyyy before Hitler
exactly, its only if you are german. /s
Mussolini fascism didn't have all the racist crap
what racist crap?
Mussolini just beat the shit out of people who disagreed with him
Um, aghost, you can't be serious so I'll assume that's trolling or sarcasm
If you were Italian you were Italian. No tracking down your whole genetic history.
Exactly ^^
@DrYuriMom im not trolling
is believing that there are different races, racist?
No, but wanting to enslave or liquidate races or creeds is