So, you want physical objects?

I would posit what evidence confirms the existence of an absolute being

Damn, just when i need an actual doctor opinion, Cat is nowhere to be seen

@Beemann the quest for evidence inevitably results in erecting strawmans. You realize that right.

I'd want some sort of predictive factor or measurable object

Why does existence provide evidence for the being?

Many religious people would argue that consciousness in itself is evidence of God. Hence the famous quote from René Descartes, "I think therefore I am."

@Beemann alright. Predict the path of individual water molecules in a wave.

Well, I'm sorry, it is a bit difficult to provide measurable objects that provide evidence for a non-physical entity without introducing logical proofs.

Why would consciousness be evidence for god?

This is why we have philosophy.

If we as conscious beings envision a divine being connecting us together then it becomes an issue of belief rather than evidence.

@Bayesed why does it not

existence, consciousness, therefore god? it seems a bit of a leap

Im not saying youre wrong for belief in god. I am asking for your justification of your beliefs. convince me with evidence

Is your definition of evidence the same as Bees?

@Bayesed you literally just did earlier

no

Beliefs, by their nature, don't require justification or evidence

otherwise they'd be fact, not beleif

i said your 100% certainty was unfounded

What? All beliefs are rooted in some kind of justification.

@Bookworm is this where we get back into presupposition? Because I'm really tired of that one

The human mind holds no facts, only beliefs. Facts are external realities.

@Bayesed wrong. You did when you talked about vaccines.

just as an offhand comment

belief in the demons etc? yes

not about god

the Anti-Anti Vaxxers are int he camp of the Anti-Flat earth folks

I hear more from them than I do the actual Anti Vaxxers.

So, you will say people who believe in demons are wrong, but not God?

@Salacious Swanky Cat sorry? I have to personally mathematically run through the proofs for everything despite them being applicable in predictive models?

What's the critical separation?

im also not 100% certain that demons etc dont exist. but i have not seen supporting evidence so i assign it a very low probability near 0

that is bayesian probability

I think I understand why you think that this road leads to strawmen, fam

if you think that existence and consciousness are evidence of god

why not evidence of the simulation hypothesis? and we are a computer program etc?

https://youtu.be/853uLRNlMHo

@Beemann there isn’t a proven predictive model for individual molecules. Large amount of molecules.

My head