Apparently, 40 percent of France doesn't believe in the effectiveness of vaccines.

Belief without evidence is faith fyi

So I wouldn't go appealing to the mob so quickly.

I would assign a probability to there being a god. I would not say there absolutely is 0% chance of a god. I just assign it a very low probability. Because I have seen near 0 evidence to back the claim.

So if I can test a thing and observe that it's true, that's not faith

Faith is a critical part of how most people function in reality.

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@Beemann no duh. Atheism is faith based too.

But what if you haven't? If you haven't tested it and observed it to be true, isn't that just faith, still?

Skepticism and doubt keep people from certainty in even the most well founded beliefs. But we act as if they are certainties.

What's the faith? I don't think you've sufficiently provided a case for God

Ergo I don't believe he exists, as there is no evidence suggesting this is the case

You're going to posit that no evidence exists suggesting the existence of God? Interesting. What do you describe as evidence?

There is plenty of evidence, rather it is a matter of agreeing what is evidence and what isn't

I explained how evidence based claims could work earlier

So, you want physical objects?

I would posit what evidence confirms the existence of an absolute being

Damn, just when i need an actual doctor opinion, Cat is nowhere to be seen

@Beemann the quest for evidence inevitably results in erecting strawmans. You realize that right.

I'd want some sort of predictive factor or measurable object

Why does existence provide evidence for the being?

Many religious people would argue that consciousness in itself is evidence of God. Hence the famous quote from René Descartes, "I think therefore I am."

@Beemann alright. Predict the path of individual water molecules in a wave.

Well, I'm sorry, it is a bit difficult to provide measurable objects that provide evidence for a non-physical entity without introducing logical proofs.

Why would consciousness be evidence for god?

This is why we have philosophy.

If we as conscious beings envision a divine being connecting us together then it becomes an issue of belief rather than evidence.

@Bayesed why does it not

existence, consciousness, therefore god? it seems a bit of a leap

Im not saying youre wrong for belief in god. I am asking for your justification of your beliefs. convince me with evidence

Is your definition of evidence the same as Bees?

@Bayesed you literally just did earlier

no

Beliefs, by their nature, don't require justification or evidence

otherwise they'd be fact, not beleif

i said your 100% certainty was unfounded

What? All beliefs are rooted in some kind of justification.

@Bookworm is this where we get back into presupposition? Because I'm really tired of that one

The human mind holds no facts, only beliefs. Facts are external realities.

@Bayesed wrong. You did when you talked about vaccines.

just as an offhand comment