Message from @Blackhawk342

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2019-01-04 22:34:54 UTC  

I have reach the mindset of just awaiting the mad max world

2019-01-04 22:35:28 UTC  

Okay so for the amount you give in you get a return that’s even

2019-01-04 22:35:37 UTC  

It isn’t what you wanted

2019-01-04 22:35:48 UTC  

But you understand that it will help you later on

2019-01-04 22:36:06 UTC  

Right

2019-01-04 22:36:18 UTC  

UBI is the only solution for a more automated society though

2019-01-04 22:36:29 UTC  

Oh god

2019-01-04 22:36:32 UTC  

Not right now, of course, but soon

2019-01-04 22:36:33 UTC  

please no, no UBI

2019-01-04 22:36:48 UTC  

I dont see an alternative solution when automation kicks into overdrive

2019-01-04 22:37:02 UTC  

Unless theres some sort of massive robitics convention which limits automation

2019-01-04 22:37:17 UTC  

automation has been kicked into overdrive for decades

2019-01-04 22:37:21 UTC  

war, or a new job robots can't do

2019-01-04 22:37:25 UTC  

but UBI can't work

2019-01-04 22:37:27 UTC  

Robots literally take over jobs in fallout

2019-01-04 22:37:30 UTC  

its mathematically impossible

2019-01-04 22:37:32 UTC  

Warfare is already on the table

2019-01-04 22:37:39 UTC  

But you can’t have a bunch of robots working in the police force

2019-01-04 22:37:46 UTC  

Russia and china are both pursuing autonomous weapons systems

2019-01-04 22:38:06 UTC  

And the idea of automated cashiers is almost nonexistent

2019-01-04 22:38:12 UTC  

Id be amazed if other countries werent doing it in secret

2019-01-04 22:38:15 UTC  

Why is it mathematically impossible?

2019-01-04 22:38:45 UTC  

cuz you'd either have to tax everyone 100%, making working useless, meaning the jobs you can't replace yet exceptionally hard to fill

2019-01-04 22:38:52 UTC  

Economies produce surpluses. As long as the UBI pool does not exceed that, the balance sheet remains positive.

2019-01-04 22:38:53 UTC  

or you'd have to hyperinflate every payout session

2019-01-04 22:38:57 UTC  

making the money literally useless to have

2019-01-04 22:39:53 UTC  

But then for each tax you pay 90% of it

2019-01-04 22:40:02 UTC  

And then you’re left with some money

2019-01-04 22:40:12 UTC  

Maybe I have a different definition of UBI.

2019-01-04 22:40:15 UTC  

And you pay 90% of the next without replenishing

2019-01-04 22:40:22 UTC  

You’re just going to lose it all

2019-01-04 22:40:35 UTC  

Is it not a guarantee of a minimum income?

2019-01-04 22:40:36 UTC  

He’s basically just saying lower our taxes

2019-01-04 22:40:39 UTC  

yes

2019-01-04 22:40:43 UTC  

but how do you get that minimal income?

2019-01-04 22:41:18 UTC  

From the economy's surplus.

2019-01-04 22:41:33 UTC  

How do you finance any other government program?

2019-01-04 22:41:37 UTC  

tax money

2019-01-04 22:41:41 UTC  

Well then if everyone is taking it from the economy then no one is going to replenish the economy

2019-01-04 22:42:00 UTC  

if you have machines to replace all food production, you can do it everywhere

Thus making food non-tradable

2019-01-04 22:42:05 UTC  

meaning you stop getting economy surplus