Message from @Orteid
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What's the relevance here?
that it blocks one from learning if you continually blame others and claim victim status
until that ends, nothing will change and this will repeat
women's march 2.0 will form and it will be the exact same thing, and so on
Are you really saying that people are ignorant of the anti-semitism because of victim culture <:TimThink:482277772497125378>
My guess: Tim's under the impression that most, if not all, of the marchers are politically active and constantly keep up with goings-on in the news re: Trump and activist movements against him, so they'd surely have been aware of the revelations regarding the organization
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no, that they cannot look at missed warning signs that would have made a better outcome because that it is easier to close your eyes and claim to have never seen anything
I was in a bubble, I never knew... over and over and over again as the cycle repeats
do an autoposy of the movement, look at the warning signs, look at what went wrong and how you intereracted with it. Learn from the past in a honest brutal way because only then can you do better next time
Where would they have even seen those warning signs? Again, most people have 1 (one) source of news, be it CNN, Fox, ABC, MSNBC, or whatever, and as far as I know, none of them have reported on the anti-semitism until very recently
Also
Being in a bubble is fine as long as you recognize it and try to pop it and expand the territory to which your mind travels
That's not the claim people are making
the problem is people knowing they're in a bubble and refusing to do anything but constrict it more
That's the claim I'M making ABOUT the people in the March
That they live in a bubble
Most people will not know about the anti-semitism at all
it's less a bubble and more a bias confirming echo chamber they constructed via social media filters
It won't even cross their mind
he is right though. and that is not necessarily on the people in the march and more a problem with social media in general
What is the meaningful difference between "bubble" and that buzzword salad he just posted
They both mean the same thing
well, not quite
bubble does not necessarily imply intent, while constructed echo chamber does
bubble: you hear nothing else. buzzword salad: you hear only things that confirm what you already believe. it's a nuanced difference
bubbles expand and form naturally due to a lack of competition. Talking in a bowling alley is a social bubble. What the social platforms did was exclude and filter the talk while bringing together like minded indivuals that then began to self confirm among each other in a way that would magnify the purpose of the social circle
OK well here's where we have an impass
whereas talking about bowling in a bowling alley is a natural social bubble, bringing together people that for a sole purpose then filtering it out to an extreme degree via block bots and friend circles (recommended via algarythyms) is not natural
echo chambers are intentional, just not by the users. social media pushes you content that you are likely to engage with - that leads to the echo chamber
and yes, facebook/twitter/etc made it all worse intentionally
@I AM ERROR not sure of that. I kind of think they did so intentionally (the users) but that the sheer scope and scale of the platforms they have and the power of the tools to form those echochambers has grown far beyond what the users could fathom
they knew they were making an echo chamber, just not how pure it would become
@Misomania mabye it'll grow to the point of either too big it'll fail. or the tiger will eat the riders?
@Misomania ie what they created will comeback and consume them
i don't think the users intentionally make their echo chambers (well... some most definitely are) they just don't engage people they don't like (and block others) which leads to it... but most don't make a conscious decision to form their own echo chamber
they join for the purpose of seeking like minded people though
which is natural, but that means we naturally seek to form echochambers
None of us can know with any certainty whether or not the echo chambers people build are deliberate or just out of convenience. We can speculate as to whether or not most people explicity choose to only hear voices of what they like and remove voices that they don't, or if it's just a matter of proximity that they only hear voices that they like.
Did you deliberatly choose your friends based on their politics? Most people don't. People just naturally associate with people they have common interests with, and that LEADS to an echo chamber. Most aren't intentionally constructed. Social media just exacerbates the problem that naturally occurs.
Anyway I've gtg but it was nice having this discussion @Misomania @I AM ERROR @yearspastmatter