We just gotta find what our bubble is

I think a portion of everyone's bubble in here is our information bubble. 99% of people don't follow journalists

She's one of those people who will openly say she does not see the remote possibility of even *respecting* anyone who doesn't hate Donald Trump

regardless though, as adults we are fully responsible for our decisions. That rests solely on the shoulders of the people making them

blaming others and claiming to be a victim simply continues the cycle that caused it in the first place

learn from the past or be doomed to repeat it

What victimization are you talking about? From the very beginning all I've said is that Tim is mischaracterizing most marchers as anti-semites

I'm not talking about victimization

being victims, victimhood culture in that being one makes you a better person. Part of the oppression olympics

rather then admit fault claim to be a victim

What's the relevance here?

that it blocks one from learning if you continually blame others and claim victim status

until that ends, nothing will change and this will repeat

women's march 2.0 will form and it will be the exact same thing, and so on

Are you really saying that people are ignorant of the anti-semitism because of victim culture <:TimThink:482277772497125378>

My guess: Tim's under the impression that most, if not all, of the marchers are politically active and constantly keep up with goings-on in the news re: Trump and activist movements against him, so they'd surely have been aware of the revelations regarding the organization

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no, that they cannot look at missed warning signs that would have made a better outcome because that it is easier to close your eyes and claim to have never seen anything

I was in a bubble, I never knew... over and over and over again as the cycle repeats

do an autoposy of the movement, look at the warning signs, look at what went wrong and how you intereracted with it. Learn from the past in a honest brutal way because only then can you do better next time

Where would they have even seen those warning signs? Again, most people have 1 (one) source of news, be it CNN, Fox, ABC, MSNBC, or whatever, and as far as I know, none of them have reported on the anti-semitism until very recently

Also

Being in a bubble is fine as long as you recognize it and try to pop it and expand the territory to which your mind travels

That's not the claim people are making

the problem is people knowing they're in a bubble and refusing to do anything but constrict it more

That's the claim I'M making ABOUT the people in the March

That they live in a bubble

Most people will not know about the anti-semitism at all

it's less a bubble and more a bias confirming echo chamber they constructed via social media filters

It won't even cross their mind

OK you're activating rhetoric mode again @Misomania

he is right though. and that is not necessarily on the people in the march and more a problem with social media in general

What is the meaningful difference between "bubble" and that buzzword salad he just posted

They both mean the same thing

well, not quite

bubble does not necessarily imply intent, while constructed echo chamber does

bubble: you hear nothing else. buzzword salad: you hear only things that confirm what you already believe. it's a nuanced difference

bubbles expand and form naturally due to a lack of competition. Talking in a bowling alley is a social bubble. What the social platforms did was exclude and filter the talk while bringing together like minded indivuals that then began to self confirm among each other in a way that would magnify the purpose of the social circle

OK well here's where we have an impass

whereas talking about bowling in a bowling alley is a natural social bubble, bringing together people that for a sole purpose then filtering it out to an extreme degree via block bots and friend circles (recommended via algarythyms) is not natural

echo chambers are intentional, just not by the users. social media pushes you content that you are likely to engage with - that leads to the echo chamber