Message from @Orteid
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I think a portion of everyone's bubble in here is our information bubble. 99% of people don't follow journalists
She's one of those people who will openly say she does not see the remote possibility of even *respecting* anyone who doesn't hate Donald Trump
regardless though, as adults we are fully responsible for our decisions. That rests solely on the shoulders of the people making them
blaming others and claiming to be a victim simply continues the cycle that caused it in the first place
learn from the past or be doomed to repeat it
What victimization are you talking about? From the very beginning all I've said is that Tim is mischaracterizing most marchers as anti-semites
I'm not talking about victimization
being victims, victimhood culture in that being one makes you a better person. Part of the oppression olympics
rather then admit fault claim to be a victim
What's the relevance here?
that it blocks one from learning if you continually blame others and claim victim status
until that ends, nothing will change and this will repeat
women's march 2.0 will form and it will be the exact same thing, and so on
Are you really saying that people are ignorant of the anti-semitism because of victim culture <:TimThink:482277772497125378>
My guess: Tim's under the impression that most, if not all, of the marchers are politically active and constantly keep up with goings-on in the news re: Trump and activist movements against him, so they'd surely have been aware of the revelations regarding the organization
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no, that they cannot look at missed warning signs that would have made a better outcome because that it is easier to close your eyes and claim to have never seen anything
I was in a bubble, I never knew... over and over and over again as the cycle repeats
do an autoposy of the movement, look at the warning signs, look at what went wrong and how you intereracted with it. Learn from the past in a honest brutal way because only then can you do better next time
Where would they have even seen those warning signs? Again, most people have 1 (one) source of news, be it CNN, Fox, ABC, MSNBC, or whatever, and as far as I know, none of them have reported on the anti-semitism until very recently
Being in a bubble is fine as long as you recognize it and try to pop it and expand the territory to which your mind travels
That's not the claim people are making
the problem is people knowing they're in a bubble and refusing to do anything but constrict it more
That's the claim I'M making ABOUT the people in the March
That they live in a bubble
Most people will not know about the anti-semitism at all
it's less a bubble and more a bias confirming echo chamber they constructed via social media filters
It won't even cross their mind
OK you're activating rhetoric mode again @Misomania
he is right though. and that is not necessarily on the people in the march and more a problem with social media in general
What is the meaningful difference between "bubble" and that buzzword salad he just posted
They both mean the same thing
well, not quite
bubble does not necessarily imply intent, while constructed echo chamber does
bubble: you hear nothing else. buzzword salad: you hear only things that confirm what you already believe. it's a nuanced difference
bubbles expand and form naturally due to a lack of competition. Talking in a bowling alley is a social bubble. What the social platforms did was exclude and filter the talk while bringing together like minded indivuals that then began to self confirm among each other in a way that would magnify the purpose of the social circle
OK well here's where we have an impass
whereas talking about bowling in a bowling alley is a natural social bubble, bringing together people that for a sole purpose then filtering it out to an extreme degree via block bots and friend circles (recommended via algarythyms) is not natural
echo chambers are intentional, just not by the users. social media pushes you content that you are likely to engage with - that leads to the echo chamber
and yes, facebook/twitter/etc made it all worse intentionally