@mikeflarkin depends on the topic

Never mind how colleges themselves are weakened by catering to 90-IQ black students.

@Nine people play CoD where you can instantly respawn

@mikeflarkin Or learning

@ThreeOfOne I think that is partially true. My dating pool shrank where I had men straight up tell me that they were intimidated because they had jobs in manual labor and I had a degree? There's stigma either way. I think women expect... this is going to sound really mean, but they expect to have a pick of the litter with men, no matter what. Perhaps there is some evolutionary truth to this, but overall women end up overly picky? I knew a woman in college who broke up with a guy who 'wore shirts she didn't like'. Not offensive shirts, just t-shirts instead of whatever. Nuts, right?

I think college is just a selection process for a managerial class of individuals who know how to check boxes

@ThreeOfOne I don't know about learning, or...?

I can tell from being at university that they’re really trying to sell the left’s view on the world

@Montgomereeeee agreed, it does seem like certain fields (ie gender studies) tends to create more people that believe that they know far more than they really do

@ThreeOfOne I know a lot of very stupid people who have degrees, so perhaps there's some truth to that too.

@mikeflarkin but to "get gud" you need to work at dying less than you kill

@Nine that's why I play Counter-Strike lol

I think the shift from educating to indoctrinating is a natural consequence of accepting a dumber student population.

But in a game like CoD, even if you never get gud, you still can just keep going

@mikeflarkin What I mean is that the entire process of contemporary education strips people of their creativity and capacity for independent thought

@ThreeOfOne oh I absolutely agree. It used to be that college was a place where you learned how little you actually knew, and you got exposed to new ideas that you were also encouraged to question

You'd think it would have been one of the disciplines not completely corrupted by postmodernism, but one of my friends (a Colombian immigrant and now US citizen) has a master's degree in economics and somehow became a radical anarcho-communist SJW in the past few years

anti-police, pro-Antifa

all that jazz

Modern education inflicts a fear of failure.

The reason some courses are so left and want the state to provide is because they wasted they’re time on subjects that don’t give them any skills to succeed in reality or that they can’t put into practice for example gender studies or arts

They give college loans to anything with a pulse. Colleges learned it takes an idealogical bend to get people to take life destroying loans they will never be able to pay back or escape, it takes them catering to lower intelligence people as well to get them to agree to this for years in droves. The only way the model of milking student loans can work is if the colleges turned themselves into the movie idiocracy with a echo chamber of a feel good while doing nothing cult that are incapable of dealing with anything and collapse at the first challenge (so they cannot fight to change that system)

@mikeflarkin Yep, and now it's the exact opposite. You're told exactly what to think and how. Step out of line and the professor fails you.

Its a pity tho i im the person who i am today thanks to college

And even if you don't believe initially what the professor is teaching, repetition eventually gets to you in most cases

its good that our country hates the left due to the dictatorship

Creativity is still highly valued in engineering schools. It's the humanities departments that value ideological conformity.

Failure is the best learning tool we have as a species, and we just teach that any failure is bad.

so we dont get teach left politics on school

or college

the low hanging fruit of student loans were the apple in the garden of eden

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I had a group of students last year and they’re discord got public now they’re thrown out of the university for the sake of diversity

I could understand still being a communist after getting a higher degree in economics back in, say, Thomas Sowell's time (born in 1930, Ph.D. in economics in the early '60s) but now that we have so much information on what went wrong (and why) in USSR, China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc., I have no idea how that could happen now

I still remember the first time I heard someone say "heteronormative" was a woman that I went on a few dates with that was a college professor, and when I pointed out that it was a stupid concept because heterosexuality is and always has been the norm she stopped talking to me.

Cause they are wishful

And they commit the same mistakes of those nations

Not to be rude but I think this is really an American trend that the left in Europe ideolise

Sowell was a communist until he got a job working for the government, and that fixed him right up

they dismiss human nature

@mikeflarkin you know who agrees with you and stated this right on stage? camille paglia