bank wont loan me money

as if banks had money

look at internet providers in USA

how its that not a monopoly?

it is

@Strufa you dont have to use US based internet providers.

theres satelites

but they pay the anti-thrust people to look the other way

Hold on.

you CAN use local ISPs, though

radio frequency operators are given a monopoly and only because they have that monopoly can the system work at all

There are a lot of misunderstandings about monopolies.

if you can pay away your violation of market laws, you're no longer in a free market

if you can't buy a slave, you're not in a free market

In law, there is the language of how much a company "controls" of a market share, which can be very misleading.

Internet Providers, ahhh that one. Yeah the right-away legislation is so regulated by each of the states, that its impossible to compete. So yeah regulation did it again.

found the ancap

@Ranko the US has slaves you can buy, h2b visa slaves

A company can be the only one in a particular market without having control over it.

you still have to pay those though @Misomania

i want an american slave, not that cheap bootleg stuff

isn't it that if it controls more than 80% of the market its a monopoly?

when there is no other valid choice you have a monopoly

Yes, that is a good observation.

When there are dynamics that keep new companies out of a market, it's usually due to regulations, not for lack of them.

@EndangeredProdigy barely, they don't pay them a fraction of a liveable wage and make them have 8 or 10 room mates in a 2 bedroom subsidized apartment

and when there is a monopoly the free market balance is broken the company can do whatever they want

and since it will not affect their sales

There have been a lot of monopoly laws and anti-trust laws that were completely unnecessary.

since there is no other choice

you broke the free market self-regulation

As soon as one company would break the agreement to charge lower prices, it would dissolve.

the moment when you have sole control of the market, and can influence it without opposition

then you have a monopoly

there can only be a free market in areas where the bar to enter the competition is low enough

@Strufa and you cant ever have a monopoly when it comes to the internet. Not without draconian regulations

Those are very unstable constructs.

@Ranko so hire from a prison, they can legally be slaves sold to you

@Strufa and even those are ineffective

Honestly, how I feel the ISP problem can be fixed, is that they should break them up, and they're only allowed to own lines in a single state.

That is not necessarily true.

if you need billion of dollars of infrastructure to start, you'll never make it