they starved their people intentionally

Are you sure?

in the physical, mortal realm, yes

in our plane of existence

it's killing

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@EndangeredProdigy But alot of people killed in USSR was the result of starvation, central planning etc........is that better than being killed by Hitler?

@Samaritan He's trying to make the argument that Stalin and Mao didn't "intend" to kill people they just died due to bad policy or some such nonsense.

Have you tested that?

lol

I just told you, Stalin starved them intentionally @Kelz

Is intentionally confining and starving 6 million people actually better than actively killing them?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

read that

@Kelz

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it wasn't due to "bad planning"

cheers to this debate

it was on fucking purpose

communism is for dummies

@EndangeredProdigy I'm sure Stalin targeted people and killed people but alot of people died because of Communism (starvation, etc)

and it was never 'bad policy' or a 'failure' it was literally manafactured famine in order to control the population via locking down the means of distribution and to centralize the supply in order to control those whom need the product in question (food)

Starving ppl to death would likely be considered cruel and unusual, torture.

What a retarded argument... Are we seriously discussing what is a better way to die?

no they died because Stalin made it so @Kelz

the number that died due to being poor pales in comparison to the intentional starvation

@Misomania Is your argument that Stalin didn't institute true communism?

read the article I posted

it explains the Holodomor

"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."

What is even being debated here

@Kelz besides that your sentence is a fragment that means nothing. I said the opposite

>6 million == intentional
>100 million == bad planning

Give me a fucking break.

You think after you find out the first few million died you would do something.

Idk, seems obvious that communism is bad and leads to dead ppl.

i think it was bad planning

What are we arguing about?

@Misomania So was the soviet union true communism or not?

who cares

true communism?

it killed millions