cheers to this debate

it was on fucking purpose

communism is for dummies

@EndangeredProdigy I'm sure Stalin targeted people and killed people but alot of people died because of Communism (starvation, etc)

and it was never 'bad policy' or a 'failure' it was literally manafactured famine in order to control the population via locking down the means of distribution and to centralize the supply in order to control those whom need the product in question (food)

Starving ppl to death would likely be considered cruel and unusual, torture.

What a retarded argument... Are we seriously discussing what is a better way to die?

no they died because Stalin made it so @Kelz

the number that died due to being poor pales in comparison to the intentional starvation

@Misomania Is your argument that Stalin didn't institute true communism?

read the article I posted

it explains the Holodomor

"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."

What is even being debated here

@Kelz besides that your sentence is a fragment that means nothing. I said the opposite

>6 million == intentional
>100 million == bad planning

Give me a fucking break.

You think after you find out the first few million died you would do something.

Idk, seems obvious that communism is bad and leads to dead ppl.

i think it was bad planning

What are we arguing about?

@Misomania So was the soviet union true communism or not?

who cares

true communism?

it killed millions

wtf does that even mean

true communism kills everyone

So, no, not true communism, some ppl survived.

true communism is fictional

like 90% communism

@Kelz true communism means taking everything from everyone who isn't part of the priviledged class and doling them out as you deem fit. He enforced control via control of both means of production and means of distribution in order to make sure people swore loyalty to the state party

yeah true communism only exists on a piece of paper

because it can't exist

Paradox, are you sure they're being killed and not just being sent back to God?

communism is rad yo

@Kelz in otherwords, he created a famine to control the population via starvation

want to eat? better prove your loyalty

Is who being killed?

they're talking about Stalin @Paradox

and the Holodomor

Communism existed before the term was coined. Governments during French Revolution ironically had the some of same system of policies.

but he didn't use past tense, so idk what he's talking about....