or can a person?

Can anyone, really?

Absolutely can be.

This seems like someone is trying to virtue signal pro-communism

yes they can kill someone

did we not try to do that with hitler?

if you blow someone's head off

you know, jock man, a common holocaust denial line of reasoning is that the nazis just packed all the jews into the concentration camps and left them to starve, because of how logistically impossible producing that much poison and cremating that many bodies would have been.

that's killing them

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they starved their people intentionally

Are you sure?

in the physical, mortal realm, yes

in our plane of existence

it's killing

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@EndangeredProdigy But alot of people killed in USSR was the result of starvation, central planning etc........is that better than being killed by Hitler?

@Samaritan He's trying to make the argument that Stalin and Mao didn't "intend" to kill people they just died due to bad policy or some such nonsense.

Have you tested that?

lol

I just told you, Stalin starved them intentionally @Kelz

Is intentionally confining and starving 6 million people actually better than actively killing them?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

read that

@Kelz

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it wasn't due to "bad planning"

cheers to this debate

it was on fucking purpose

communism is for dummies

@EndangeredProdigy I'm sure Stalin targeted people and killed people but alot of people died because of Communism (starvation, etc)

and it was never 'bad policy' or a 'failure' it was literally manafactured famine in order to control the population via locking down the means of distribution and to centralize the supply in order to control those whom need the product in question (food)

Starving ppl to death would likely be considered cruel and unusual, torture.

What a retarded argument... Are we seriously discussing what is a better way to die?

no they died because Stalin made it so @Kelz

the number that died due to being poor pales in comparison to the intentional starvation

@Misomania Is your argument that Stalin didn't institute true communism?

read the article I posted

it explains the Holodomor

"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."

What is even being debated here