Message from @Kelz
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@EndangeredProdigy But alot of people killed in USSR was the result of starvation, central planning etc........is that better than being killed by Hitler?
@Samaritan He's trying to make the argument that Stalin and Mao didn't "intend" to kill people they just died due to bad policy or some such nonsense.
Have you tested that?
lol
I just told you, Stalin starved them intentionally @Kelz
Is intentionally confining and starving 6 million people actually better than actively killing them?
read that
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it wasn't due to "bad planning"
cheers to this debate
it was on fucking purpose
communism is for dummies
@EndangeredProdigy I'm sure Stalin targeted people and killed people but alot of people died because of Communism (starvation, etc)
and it was never 'bad policy' or a 'failure' it was literally manafactured famine in order to control the population via locking down the means of distribution and to centralize the supply in order to control those whom need the product in question (food)
Starving ppl to death would likely be considered cruel and unusual, torture.
What a retarded argument... Are we seriously discussing what is a better way to die?
no they died because Stalin made it so @Kelz
the number that died due to being poor pales in comparison to the intentional starvation
read the article I posted
it explains the Holodomor
"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."
What is even being debated here
@Kelz besides that your sentence is a fragment that means nothing. I said the opposite
>6 million == intentional
>100 million == bad planning
Give me a fucking break.
You think after you find out the first few million died you would do something.
Idk, seems obvious that communism is bad and leads to dead ppl.
i think it was bad planning
What are we arguing about?
@Misomania So was the soviet union true communism or not?
who cares
true communism?
it killed millions
wtf does that even mean
true communism kills everyone
So, no, not true communism, some ppl survived.
true communism is fictional
like 90% communism
@Kelz true communism means taking everything from everyone who isn't part of the priviledged class and doling them out as you deem fit. He enforced control via control of both means of production and means of distribution in order to make sure people swore loyalty to the state party