thing is, ethics are based on morals

morals are relative

so it's near impossible to say for sure that your ethics are the same as someone else's

Humans are icky, get rid of them

Morales are completely universal

But either way, asking the question of the survival of humanity in the first place only makes sense from a human perspective.

SJW's consider themselves to be the rational centrists
we consider them irrational
they consider us Nazi's


Rationale is based on who agrees with you,

people who agree with you are rational, people who disagree with you are irrational

My emotions are dissatisfied with humanity, thus begone

and to impose your morality on someone else can be seen as unethical

Otherwise the middle east would be better than a shithole

If we excluded all emotional considerations from our argument, we could not argue about this in the first place. It would not matter what happens to us.

Our rationality only makes sense in the context of our humanity.

```Rationale is based on who agrees with you,
people who agree with you are rational, people who disagree with you are irrational```

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No.

We can both agree that the Sun is made of cheese.

i thought rational meant to be in ratio with reality

We are both irrational.

Some things are objectively not caring about human feelings, like laws of the universe

thats cuz you don't actually agree on it at that point

it's subjective is what @Dr.Wol is saying

Undead

If you thought it was, and someone said otherwise, you'd think them irrational

You misunderstand

Yes, some things are objective.

but you don't believe it yourself, so you call yourself irrational for thinking it

if you hear something you don't agree with, you will think the person saying it is being irrational @Undead Mockingbird

In so far as they cause no contradictions in the models we are able to construct through our empiricism.

that's just how we work

He is saying that rationality is relative to perspective

Humans evloved emotions to survive within a group. Empathy is a hell of a drug.

it might be relative to our understanding of reality yeah

You both would think each other ration if you both believed the sun was made of cheese

Does not mean it is the best tool to apply to everything

THat is the fundamental difference in argumentation between Francis Bacon and Karl Popper.

But no one else would

mm bacon

Otherwise we get glacial feminism or somesuch

bacon poppers

that sounds good

gonna make that sometime