Message from @Maksim

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2020-02-07 19:35:27 UTC  

Guess science doesn't real

2020-02-07 19:35:28 UTC  

History isn't always written by the victor

Depends on how much the victor pushes it

2020-02-07 19:35:41 UTC  

i'm sure that there's no objective truths being pushed in economics

2020-02-07 19:35:45 UTC  

@Siegfriedolin That just adds more chaos to the truth

2020-02-07 19:35:54 UTC  

but what is a fact is that there exists a potential best economic system

2020-02-07 19:36:00 UTC  

@Draško Ask that to a free market lunatic

2020-02-07 19:36:04 UTC  

History isn't exactly neat

2020-02-07 19:36:23 UTC  

@Draško Incorrect

2020-02-07 19:36:30 UTC  

on what basis?

2020-02-07 19:36:33 UTC  

Because it would depend on what the national goal is

2020-02-07 19:36:38 UTC  

you're right

2020-02-07 19:36:47 UTC  

but i mean if we ignore morals and everything else

2020-02-07 19:36:59 UTC  

there's an objectivelly system that produces the most revenue when applied

2020-02-07 19:37:01 UTC  

At that point you're ignoring things

2020-02-07 19:37:08 UTC  

Which makes it not objective

2020-02-07 19:37:17 UTC  

Trading one thing in a circle forever

2020-02-07 19:37:22 UTC  

no, i'm not ignoring physical things, i'm ignoring objectives

2020-02-07 19:37:33 UTC  

Which is disingenuous

2020-02-07 19:37:34 UTC  

because obviously economists will also consider morals

2020-02-07 19:37:39 UTC  

not disingenuous

2020-02-07 19:37:43 UTC  

No they don't lmao

2020-02-07 19:37:49 UTC  

We can see that clearly in America

2020-02-07 19:38:05 UTC  

socialism is literally based on the idea that it's moral for the working class to hold the capital

2020-02-07 19:38:20 UTC  

I mean 'economists' will engage in morals along the lines of pushing a liberal humanism as a method of maintaining the capitalist status quo

2020-02-07 19:38:21 UTC  

"The Magic Rectangle" of Economics is pretty morally based

2020-02-07 19:39:31 UTC  

Why is high employment even good?

2020-02-07 19:39:44 UTC  

@Draško It all depends on the national goal

2020-02-07 19:39:46 UTC  

Well, depends on your goals

2020-02-07 19:40:02 UTC  

Thus a singular best economic system does not exist

2020-02-07 19:40:04 UTC  

And cannot exist

2020-02-07 19:40:21 UTC  

And it depends on a plethora of other factors

2020-02-07 19:40:23 UTC  

If you want everyone to have a decent living, then high employment is good, but that means that starting up new businesses is harder as there is less of a reserve army of labor

2020-02-07 19:40:27 UTC  

Some nations have many natural resources

2020-02-07 19:40:30 UTC  

Some don't

2020-02-07 19:40:37 UTC  

Some have good supporting geography

2020-02-07 19:40:39 UTC  

Some don't

2020-02-07 19:42:42 UTC  

Even with the same goals the same economic model cannot always be applied to other nations and work

2020-02-07 21:05:52 UTC  

@Zoltanous why would you want to china to take over

2020-02-07 21:06:00 UTC  

negative conclusion

2020-02-07 21:06:27 UTC  

Both scenarios are literal hell and are thus in effect indistinguishable

2020-02-07 21:06:55 UTC  

Both entail we lose forever and in that scenario what’s left is irrelevant