How does that demonstrate its the therapy rather than fear of jail
Well you are aware that the ones who go to jail reoffend more than those who get treatment?
that you don't need religion to justify that public indecency is bad
That literally ends the argument right there
Provide evidence that those who go to jail reoffend more than those who go to therapy in terms of pedophilia
@moira Yes you do mate. Even mainstream atheists agree
with this
You mean in terms of sexual violence?
Yes
Pedophilia and sexual offense aren't synonymous
You don't
Well we were referring about "making an offense'
am I a mainstream atheist?
pedophilia in and of itself isnt an offense
No
sexual violence is
morals come from the society
actually you know what
my religion says pedophilia is bade
@moira Just do me a favor. Make a moral proposition, and keep on asking the why. Just do that
it's my religion so I can do what I want with it
You'll eventually come to the point where foundationally as an atheist, you wont have a justification
Literally the overwhelming majority of atheists agree with this because its not a controversial claim
They just say "Ok but people sitll wont do it"
So people canβt be moral without God?
and i have a god dude
again people can be moral without God
Morality depends on what the society believes
And we live in a society
Yikes. Do you reckognize the distinction between "ability to be moral without god" and "ability to justify morality without god"
Where pedophilia is immoral
So don't strawman me again weakling
woah we bringing out the personal insults
Yes because you strawmaned me
Here let me do it again. You're a weakling for strawmaning me instead of addressing my actual argument
So, you gonna address the actual argument now, or what?
those two ideas go hand in hand
you need to justify the morality of something in order to see something as moral
No they don't. I know fascist atheists who are moral in terms of how they act. And yet they still can't justify their morality
That's obviously incorrect
