morals come from the society

actually you know what

my religion says pedophilia is bade

@moira Just do me a favor. Make a moral proposition, and keep on asking the why. Just do that

it's my religion so I can do what I want with it

You'll eventually come to the point where foundationally as an atheist, you wont have a justification

Literally the overwhelming majority of atheists agree with this because its not a controversial claim

They just say "Ok but people sitll wont do it"

So people can’t be moral without God?

and i have a god dude

again people can be moral without God

Morality depends on what the society believes

And we live in a society

Yikes. Do you reckognize the distinction between "ability to be moral without god" and "ability to justify morality without god"

Where pedophilia is immoral

So don't strawman me again weakling

woah we bringing out the personal insults

Yes because you strawmaned me

Here let me do it again. You're a weakling for strawmaning me instead of addressing my actual argument

So, you gonna address the actual argument now, or what?

those two ideas go hand in hand

you need to justify the morality of something in order to see something as moral

No they don't. I know fascist atheists who are moral in terms of how they act. And yet they still can't justify their morality

No

That's obviously incorrect

i am saying that that was not a strawman

And I'm saying it was a strawman because i never said you cant be moral without god

Being moral means acting out in a moral manner

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1889186116300385

The results of what we've seen of treatment to rapists and sex offenders offer positive results as the reduction rates can be over a dozen or higher with just limited attention to these programs

Many people act out in a moral manner and yet can't justify it

Meaning the reduction will rise with the ability to concentrate more on these methods

I bet if you ask someone who's 80 iq a deeply philosophical question about why what he does is moral, he wouldn't really be able to justify it, now would he

Meaning the prison system as it stands doesn't stop rapists as much as even the low standard limited treatment does

Cool but that’s not the point

It is the point

People justify their morality based on their “right and wrong”

I'm demonstrating how they don't go hand it hand

That’s based on what they’ve heard and their empathy

Thats emotions

Irrelevant? Stop shifting the goal post. Do you now agree after what I said, that acting our in a moral manner doesn't necessitate knowing why your morality is good?

You don’t need to bring iq into it is what i meant