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No?
google it
That's demonstrably false
Those who are given therapy are statistically less likely to reoffense
me going to a mental institution would entail me not raping kids, but me not raping kids would harm me mentally
@β§β½ πΉ π π πΆ π πΎ π π βΎβ§ Incorrect. You need to prove that its the therapy that does it not the fear of jail
There's legitimate statistics on the reoffense rate of those who are given therapy and those who aren't and those who do receive it reoffense less
Incorrect. You need to prove that its the therapy that does it not the fear of jail
Well it's consistent with rehabilitation oriented crime stats across the world
Ok?
Which are proven to be more effective in lowering offense rates than prison systems
How does that demonstrate its the therapy rather than fear of jail
Well you are aware that the ones who go to jail reoffend more than those who get treatment?
that you don't need religion to justify that public indecency is bad
That literally ends the argument right there
Provide evidence that those who go to jail reoffend more than those who go to therapy in terms of pedophilia
@moira Yes you do mate. Even mainstream atheists agree
with this
You mean in terms of sexual violence?
Yes
You don't
Well we were referring about "making an offense'
am I a mainstream atheist?
pedophilia in and of itself isnt an offense
No
sexual violence is
morals come from the society
actually you know what
my religion says pedophilia is bade
@moira Just do me a favor. Make a moral proposition, and keep on asking the why. Just do that
it's my religion so I can do what I want with it
You'll eventually come to the point where foundationally as an atheist, you wont have a justification
Literally the overwhelming majority of atheists agree with this because its not a controversial claim
They just say "Ok but people sitll wont do it"
So people canβt be moral without God?
and i have a god dude
again people can be moral without God
Morality depends on what the society believes
And we live in a society
Yikes. Do you reckognize the distinction between "ability to be moral without god" and "ability to justify morality without god"