societies go to war

thats an idiotic statement

this is almost universally true

was is a moral evil

war*

this seems unrelated

this claim is about as interesting and illuminating of morality as saying "chairs have four legs, and let's assume all numbers are equal to four"

if we has someone who wanted to destroy society, there is nothing in these points which would persuade them to change their mind

Someone who wants to destroy society is not going to be convinced by anything

There were societies where people didn't have children for instance, they failed of course.

and so are you saying that they are somehow morally equal to us?

they are by definition failed

why is a failed society less moral than a successful one?

is a society that strived for love and kindness but failed, somehow more evil than a society which was brutal, totalitarian, and destructive?

there is a *right* way to live that by sheer definition means success

this seems circular

depends what the metric of 'success' is.
Sodom and Gomorrah were trading giants in the Levant ... until they weren't

how do you know what the right way to live is?

yes what metric are you using for succesS?

moral =/= economic

consider it a compromise between absolutism and utilitarian morality

if it were good for the tourism industry for a city to host the worlds biggest pig fucking festival, should it be a no brainer?

@TheAnecdotalMisogynist I don't really know where you're going with this 😂

I'm not saying I know the current right way to live within how our society is currently set up, but I know there is one

how do you know there is one?

how do you know there isnt?

@Spider Sutra what is your definition of success?
it's pretty clear where I'm going with it.

and yes that is not my answer

I know there is a right way to live because it is the way to obey all 5 precepts of NML, along with the other 7 secondary ones within today's society

@TheAnecdotalMisogynist I mean success is up to the individual in my opinion. For myself, I feel success is determined by what you share with others.

so you wouldn't have any issues with your city hosting the worlds biggest pig fucking festival?

@Airman Zeno why do you think the 5 precepts are the right way to live? or facilitate the right way to live?

@TheAnecdotalMisogynist Uhhh idk I've never considered it 😂 So long as people weren't getting dick infections I guess I don't really care.

Because they are an indivisible unit of cultural knowledge. You CANNOT continue as a society without obeying them

why does continuing as a society necessarily have anything to do with living the right way?

the two are literally the same thing

why couldn't living the right way involve the destruction of society?

> I guess I don't really care.
okie dokie. This is why western civilization is falling.
The Chinese might like their bat soup a little bit too much, but not even communist authoritarian hell holes would think that's okay (for obvious reasons).

Because society is inherently order

You're using different language to describe them so I don't see how they're the same. One deals with society, one deals with the individual .

There's hardly a difference